Timing Belt Replacement

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I did the timing belt on our 2005 Acura MDX today. In a nutshell, it was a very pleasant experience. I've been conditioned to think that timing belts should be avoided at all costs and that they're difficult to replace (and they may be in some cases), almost necessitating a large garage bill every 100k miles. I was so pleased to find out that the intimidation of the job was so much more than the job itself.

I give at least half of the credit for my success to Eric The Car Guy. I paid for and downloaded his video on replacing a Honda J-series timing belt. He said that the video will provide all the confidence needed to do the job, and he was right. He goes through bolt-by-bolt (on a 3.0L Accord) through the entire job, stopping to show the differences between the two different kinds of timing belt tensioners (our MDX had the grenade pin type). He also recommended to tackle the crankshaft pulley bolt first, before everything else, because if you can't get that off you simply can't do the job.

I did that last night, to ensure that I was good to go for today. I got the bolt off by using the Honda crankshaft holder tool rented at O'Reillys and wedging the breaker bar I attached to that against my garage floor, at about the 7:00 position. I was of course pulling on another breaker bar on the bolt itself, counterclockwise. After much consternation, that bolt came loose. Home free! Here it is:

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I also had zero trouble moving the power steering pump out of the way, and getting the timing covers off. I did this before my friend came over (soldier with some wrenching experience). Here's the nekkid timing belt area, with the side engine mount still in place:

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Here's a view at the bottom, at the crankshaft sprocket:

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Another view of the same, looking further up:

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Fast forward some, and we have the side engine mount off (engine supported with a jack and 2x4), the belt off, the idler and tensioner pulleys off, the tensioner itself off, and the old water pump off. In fact, the new water pump is already on in this picture:

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The timing belt fought us some going on, but the reference marks are very easy to see on this engine. The crankshaft sprocket has a small arrow at 12:00 that lines up with an arrow on the block. Both camshaft sprockets have marks that line up with marks on the cylinder heads. Very easy to do and nearly impossible to mess up. The problem was, the rear camshaft just BARELY stays at what I will call the 12:00 position (mark straight up and down, to match the reference mark on the cylinder head). Rotate it clockwise just a touch and it'll snap over to about the 4:00 position. Rotate it counterclockwise just a touch and it'll snap back to about the 8:00 position. At first, this scared me to death, but after moving it back and forth with a wrench (which is much easier said than done), I found that there is apparently no piston-to-valve contact...at least not in the exact position the crankshaft was in (with #1, on the rear bank, at TDC).

So anyway, it took us 4-5 tries of getting the belt on. You have to keep the belt pretty well-tensioned on the clockwise side of each sprocket, all the way down to the crankshaft sprocket, and let all the slack be taken up at the tensioner itself. So it was difficult to keep the belt tensioned enough for us to get it "toothed" properly on each sprocket, but not so tensioned that it'd pull the rear camshaft off of 12:00. Here is the view with the new parts on:

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After we got it installed, and I checked all the marks three or four times, I re-installed the crankshaft bolt and turned the engine over 360 degrees, just to ensure that at the absolute very least, nothing crashed inside. I knew nothing would, as all of our reference marks were dead-on, but just for peace of my mind. We then re-installed the side engine mount and I started the engine and let it run for about 10 seconds, again, just to be absolutely-positively sure that it was right (and it was). I didn't take long to get everything re-installed after that.

We were done by lunch. Total work time: 5-1/2 hours, including an hour of me [censored] around with it last night by myself.

The old parts, as "warned" to me by others, are still in very serviceable condition. They look like they have half or fewer miles than they actually do (93,700 actual miles). These parts appear to be extremely durable, very well-built, and the whole system seems designed very well. There is zero indicating that any of these were even close to failure. I was duly impressed with this job. Here are the old parts...could be re-used I'm sure:

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Honda advises that the timing belt be changed every 105,000 miles or every 7 years, which ever comes first. Our car has, as noted before, less than the recommended mileage, but it is 8 years old. And some of those years were spent in storage in the desert southwest (when my folks owned it), so I wanted to get the old belt off in case of dry rot or anything else of that nature. That worry was unfounded.

Again, I can't say again how pleasurable this job was. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, and would look forward to helping anyone else with a job like this if I had the opportunity. It's not nearly as difficult as you make it out to be in your own mind. And Honda obviously designed-in access for servicing it, so it's not as if you have to remove half the engine to get to it, either. Go slow and methodical and you can certainly see a very smart method for gaining access for the whole job.

I will be glad to answer any questions about the process if anyone has them.
 
so from the look of your old parts, the recomended 105,000 is very, very,very, conservative ? that i can believe, my friend has a Accord with over 270,000 on the clock and has never had this done.. i got on him about this and he laughed at me. He bought the car new and said "Nope" ill drive it to 300,000 then sell it off and buy another, Im not going to throw money at maintenance problems i dont have.. I think he's a little brazen.. but i get it.
 
Nice write up and good work here.

I would not be as positive or accepting about having to do this much work and parts replacement for maintenance though. Give me a timing chain that last the engine life, easily and separately replacable waterpump and hydraulic valve adjuster any day.
 
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
so from the look of your old parts, the recomended 105,000 is very, very,very, conservative ? that i can believe, my friend has a Accord with over 270,000 on the clock and has never had this done.. i got on him about this and he laughed at me. He bought the car new and said "Nope" ill drive it to 300,000 then sell it off and buy another, Im not going to throw money at maintenance problems i dont have.. I think he's a little brazen.. but i get it.


It would be kind of funny if the belt drive breaks and takes out the engine just before he sells it. I can understand just doing the belt at 105k or putting off a full replacement maybe 20-30k miles. But to be that brazen and dump it off on some one else hopefully at the last minute, deserves it if they get burned.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I would not be as positive or accepting about having to do this much work and parts replacement for maintenance though.


Man, I dreaded it. I dreaded this job. I wanted to do it last year, but kept putting it off. Kept putting it off. Kept putting it off. Finally got up enough courage this spring. And in the end, it was a very pleasant Saturday out in the garage, yakking with a friend and turning some wrenches. I'd do it again next weekend!
 
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
my friend has a Accord with over 270,000 on the clock and has never had this done...


Are you sure it has a timing belt? If it's a K-series 4-cylinder, it has a chain. Our Honda has a chain.

Oh, and thanks to everyone for the compliments on a job done.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Give me a timing chain that last the engine life,


Except when they don't. Have you read about the problems GM is having with timing chain failures?
 
Hokiefyd,

Congrats on the timing belt job. I've watched Eric the car guy's videos on youtube. I've changed the Timing belts on a 97 civic (2 day job) and a 98 Sienna (3 day job). It takes courage to do these types of jobs, but the experience is valuable provides you more confidence to tackle any car related repair.

Regards, JC.
 
Originally Posted By: MarkM66
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Give me a timing chain that last the engine life,


Except when they don't. Have you read about the problems GM is having with timing chain failures?


Yeah but at least they are fixing and warrantying them and updating the design. They're not just saying this is the cam drive were using and you have to replace it at your expense peridocial. Plenty of engines have had chains that last a long time.
 
Great pix and an assuring account of the work.

I have an 07 Accord with the V6; just crossed 100k miles so I am planning to do the belt in the 105-110k range. Your pix also show it isn't ultra-urgent. Important yes; but not urgent.

Like you, I've dreaded it.

I knew Eric the Car Guy had videos, but I hadn't looked at them yet. Between them and your post on this, I may well do it myself and save some serious cash.

Like you, I'd get OEM parts from one of the online Honda dealers.

Thanks, Hokie!
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
my friend has a Accord with over 270,000 on the clock and has never had this done...


Are you sure it has a timing belt? If it's a K-series 4-cylinder, it has a chain. Our Honda has a chain.

Oh, and thanks to everyone for the compliments on a job done.


dunno, his is a 98 accord. I assmed he was suppose to do this as well.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
so from the look of your old parts, the recomended 105,000 is very, very,very, conservative ? that i can believe, my friend has a Accord with over 270,000 on the clock and has never had this done.. i got on him about this and he laughed at me. He bought the car new and said "Nope" ill drive it to 300,000 then sell it off and buy another, Im not going to throw money at maintenance problems i dont have.. I think he's a little brazen.. but i get it.


It would be kind of funny if the belt drive breaks and takes out the engine just before he sells it. I can understand just doing the belt at 105k or putting off a full replacement maybe 20-30k miles. But to be that brazen and dump it off on some one else hopefully at the last minute, deserves it if they get burned.


I called him a few minutes ago, its been almost a year (man time flies) He no longer has the car, it was a 98 accord with the 6 cyl engine, he said he put another 10,000 on it (282,000) and traded it in on a new accord last fall. I asked him if the dealer made mention of the timing belt and he could not recall.
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oh well.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I would not be as positive or accepting about having to do this much work and parts replacement for maintenance though.


Man, I dreaded it. I dreaded this job. I wanted to do it last year, but kept putting it off. Kept putting it off. Kept putting it off. Finally got up enough courage this spring. And in the end, it was a very pleasant Saturday out in the garage, yakking with a friend and turning some wrenches. I'd do it again next weekend!


You know the job was done right. You might not have to do a timing belt job for a long time or maybe never again on these vehicle if you run till it's worn out.
 
Congratulations! I was under impression you were going to do this coming Saturday but I guess you finished it on Friday.

I thought you were going to use binder clips to hold the belt on the cam pulley. I recall seeing that method on youtube. Needing 4-5 tries to get the belt back on would have had me sweating bullets!
 
Many of these jobs seem daunting at first, but with the right tools and know how, they are quite easy. I pulled the engine on my outback and changed the HG on it thanks to all the info on the net. took me 13 hrs and about 150 in parts. same job was 2500 at the indepenadant.

so what was the dealer charge for doing it?? how many hours are listed for it?? i bet you could do it again in 2/3's of the time the next time and 1/2 the next.

Take the money you saved and buy more tools!!!
 
I just did a timing belt on a friends Saturn with 4 cams and it was kind of a pain. The procedure was totally different with the online manual, the instructions with the timing kit, and the service manual. I just finally used the instructions with the timing kit. I used the other info for reference.

I have rebuilt engines and done major repairs for over 30 years and was still intimidated a bit on this job. It's an interference engine to boot. I'm still waiting on a part for the PCV system that is on order from GM. Thanks for making the Saturn parts extinct GM. I bought a special kit for doing this job off Amazon.

Good for you on getting the job done. I'm sure it gives you more confidence on bigger jobs which is a good thing!
 
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