Timing, at least no Fluids are mixing!

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Well, jsut got the New head on. Now it just makes a "Whirrr" Sound. They put it back together.. without a TIming Light.

How can i get my engine TIMED? It Still wont start! It CRANKED on the Old Head, now it just goes "Whirrr"...

PS: 1991 Olds Calais has neither Timing Belt nor Chain, it is different.

Engine: 1991 Olds Calais 2.5L
new head: 1989 Pontiac Grand Am 2.5L

 

[bdcardinal]

gear drive?

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: JCCADILLACMOBILE
Well, jsut got the New head on. Now it just makes a "Whirrr" Sound. They put it back together.. without a TIming Light.

How can i get my engine TIMED? It Still wont start! It CRANKED on the Old Head, now it just goes "Whirrr"...

PS: 1991 Olds Calais has neither Timing Belt nor Chain, it is different.

Engine: 1991 Olds Calais 2.5L
new head: 1989 Pontiac Grand Am 2.5L


Your engine will have a timing chain. AFAIK, all OHV engines use a timing chain.

ALL piston engines use 1 of the two - chain or belt.

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: JCCADILLACMOBILE
Well, jsut got the New head on. Now it just makes a "Whirrr" Sound. They put it back together.. without a TIming Light.

How can i get my engine TIMED? It Still wont start! It CRANKED on the Old Head, now it just goes "Whirrr"...

PS: 1991 Olds Calais has neither Timing Belt nor Chain, it is different.

Engine: 1991 Olds Calais 2.5L
new head: 1989 Pontiac Grand Am 2.5L


Your engine will have a timing chain. AFAIK, all OHV engines use a timing chain.

ALL piston engines use 1 of the two - chain or belt.


FROM WIKI

Over the years, the Tech IV engine has proved to be a reliable, if noisy, workhorse for owners when not pushed to its limits. All 1978-1990 Iron Duke L-4's are outfitted with a micarta camshaft gear that meshes directly with a steel gear on the crankshaft (no timing chain). 1991-92 VIN R and U engines received a timing chain. The timing gear has a tendency to crumble a tooth anytime after 80,000 miles. The cam gear simply shears a tooth at startup and the engine won't start. When the cam gear loses a tooth, the camshaft AND distributor stop rotating during engine cranking.

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
gear drive?


Please povide more information about this Drive.

All i know is it sounds like "Starter Spinning not Engaging," Ivenever had this happen before?

I have no tools. I appreciate the insight as to possibel causes, im so close.

I think they didnt "Time" it.. could that cause this too?

 

[JT1]

What kind of timing are you talking about?

A timing gun is only used for setting IGNITION timing, Ignition timing also will not cause any type of whirring noise. So the fact that they didn't use a timing light(gun) has nothing to do with the noise.

Can you locate where the noise may be coming from. Accesory pullies, timing gear cover,etc?

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Your engine will have a timing chain. AFAIK, all OHV engines use a timing chain.

ALL piston engines use 1 of the two - chain or belt.


This is not quite correct. Some engines use a gear drive. The crank gear was usually steel and the camshaft gear was usually nylon or some other "softer" material for noise abatement. As I recall, Ford's straight-6 engines were (in)famous users of this design. VW's V-10 TDI also uses timing gears instead of belts or chains.

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: JT1
What kind of timing are you talking about?

A timing gun is only used for setting IGNITION timing, Ignition timing also will not cause any type of whirring noise. So the fact that they didn't use a timing light(gun) has nothing to do with the noise.

Can you locate where the noise may be coming from. Accesory pullies, timing gear cover,etc?


It sounds like the "Starter Spinning not Engaging" I dont really know why... it may be an easy fix?

And yes im almost sure myc ar has a Gear Drive ont he Iron Duke, but im wondering if it wss a Chain, as Wiki says.

1989 Pontiac Grand Am 2.5 head
1991 Olds Calais 2.5L IronDuke Engine

SAYS ITS OMPATIBLE...

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Could the wires not being in te proper "Firing order" off the Distributor do this too? Maybe its "No Spark" idk?

My roomie said it appears to be Turning and the Puleys DO Turn, but no Combustion.. "Whirrrr" Starter "Spinning not Engaging"?

 

[addyguy]

Quote FROM Wiki:

"1991-92 VIN R and U engines received a timing chain."

Therefore, your 1991 Calais uses a timing chain.

However, I was wrong on ALL engines having a timing chain or belt. You learn something everyday......

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Quote FROM Wiki:

"1991-92 VIN R and U engines received a timing chain."

Therefore, your 1991 Calais uses a timing chain.

However, I was wrong on ALL engines having a timing chain or belt. You learn something everyday......


That worries me. head is from a 1989.

However Timing is inthe Block..

Im about to check for Spark. COuld it be "No Spark"?

 

[SLCraig]

It sounds like your starter solenoid is just not doing it's job

 

[JT1]

Originally Posted By: SLCraig
It sounds like your starter solenoid is just not doing it's job


+1

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: SLCraig
It sounds like your starter solenoid is just not doing it's job


.. This si possible as well.

is the cure for this: 1) Whack it with a Screwdriver, or 2)CHARGE the Battery?

It did Weaken, battery is weak, i dont know how much so..

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Is $60 Diagnosis Fee and $60 Tow a good charge to fix my car?

 

[lipadj46]

So what about the "mechanic" that did the head swap? I would think getting the car running should be part of the fee you paid. Join AAA (pay the upgrade for 100 mile towing) and get free towing for less than that.

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: lipadj46
So what about the "mechanic" that did the head swap? I would think getting the car running should be part of the fee you paid. Join AAA (pay the upgrade for 100 mile towing) and get free towing for less than that.


They just said "They Didnt have a Timing Light" and ... well that was that. i was kind of like "It wont start" They were like "yeah if its not timed right it wont Start."

Now i lost my jobbecause i cant get to work.

i want to figure out why it goes "Whirrrrr" .. Its NOT Low Battery, i mean, battery is Weak but it Turns the Pulles.

WHAT SHOULD I LOOK FOR?

 

[JCCADILLACMOBILE]

Originally Posted By: JCCADILLACMOBILE
Well, jsut got the New head on. Now it just makes a "Whirrr" Sound. They put it back together.. without a TIming Light.

How can i get my engine TIMED? It Still wont start! It CRANKED on the Old Head, now it just goes "Whirrr"...

PS: 1991 Olds Calais has neither Timing Belt nor Chain, it is different.

Engine: 1991 Olds Calais 2.5L
new head: 1989 Pontiac Grand Am 2.5L


UPDATE the Car is Running. i attached the PCV Valve Elbow, Gave it Gas.. and it TURNED OVER! Battery was -DEAD.-

Charged Battery, Repeat.. it now Runs. idle goes up and down.. No Smoke, all is good.

Valvoline MaxLife Synthetic Blend 5w30. Old head had Crack between Cylinders 2 and 3.

 

[bobfather99]

Now make sure your cooling system is in good order, so you dont overheat it again. Id recommend a flush/fill, checking the water pump, belts and hoses. Dont forget to make sure the fans turn on when theyre supposed to. Id change the oil/filter in about 500 miles, just to purge out everything.

 

[mechtech2]

And some have more than 2 chains or gears!