How much was the home charger to install? How much would having a fuel barrel at home cost if the goal was at home re-fuel?
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Understood. I am considering an extreme case which will likely never happen. Especially given I have multiple vehicles available at most times.
$33.60 to take my Lightning from roughly 10-90% at his electric rates.
That would be roughly on parity with my old Navigator from a cost per mile perspective, it cost $65-$70 to fill it up from 1/8 of a tank to full and it was good for about 2 charges worth of mileage on the Lightning. I really mean roughly, like edge of the napkin calculation. I'm sure a new GM SUV with the 6.2 would get better mileage but it also might send a rod through the block in the first or 2nd tank
I had an electrician run 60' of #6 cable and install a NEMA 14-50 for about $250 all in, including tip.
Later I added the Tesla Wall Charger, about $500 and $100 install.
A fuel barrel at home is a curious idea; how would I fill it? I used to have a 2 gallon can for the lawn mower, but no more.
55 gallon drum, have it delivered or pickup. Would be sub $200 excluding the delivery. Most people won't benefit.
55 gallons of gas would be about $250 around here. My electricity cost is very low...
Where would I keep a 55 gallon drum? How does it pump?
Since this is BITOG, I installed my own 14-50R, cost about $300 all-in in raw materials including the charger.
Romex 6/3 isn't cheap nor is the Hubbell industrial plug. Charger from Amazon was $159 and it works perfect.
Ford included charger was/is junk and already broken after less than 6 months. You can get an exchange at the dealership but they make you leave the car with them as well.
The pump screws into the top of the barrel. I'd keep it next to the car.
I've found the Tesla Mobile Connector to be pretty flimsy too. I went with an aftermarket one that has been working strong for 2 years now and bought a second one for backup parts if necessary.
I would have saved a bit if I installed my outlet myself. I went with 14-30 just for the limitation of the power supply to my detached garage. Just getting that extra bit of amperage requiring new wiring was going to get pricy since the power supply is underground and has my driveway on top of it.
The Ford charger isn't broken externally, something is wrong inside. It won't charge on 240 but works on 120v. I use to to charge my Lightning on L1 since it still technically somewhat works. I've never opened the Ford charger that came with my Lightning and don't want to because I know they are junk. I have an outside model model 40A charger I got from the jungle river site for $120 but I'm waiting on HOA approval to install it since it goes on the outside of my house.
That's what my Tesla Mobile Connector does. It's hit and miss on charging on 240v, but usually works on 120v.
Gas and diesel are not bad, I paid $2.65 for top tier and $3.37 for diesel.
The Tesla mobile connecter worked flawlessly on 240V for years until I feed the Wall Charger.
How cold it fail based on recepticle type? Over my paygrade...
Yes, we know this number. The EPA ratings are from-grid not from-battery (as reported in vehicle).
An L2 "charger" is built in to the vehicle, not the thing you see on the wall (which is nothing but an extension cord). Is easy to meter the power being fed to the vehicle. The thing on the wall is an EVSE (Electric Vehicle Service Equipment, yes, terrible name) and many now have metering built in.
In my experience a 2013 Tesla Model S 85 takes 15-20% more from the wall at 240V 40A than is ultimately available at the battery to move the vehicle. The number is greater if charging from 120V 15A because the same fans, pumps, and computers have to be powered up to charge at 1.4 kW as for 9.6 kW. Somewhere around 200W.
My Model Y seems to be more efficient at charging but haven't taken the time to quantify.
Can purchase a utility-grade meter off eBay for about $25, box from Lowe for $35, and manually monitor how much power one's EV consumes. Private meter on the consumer's side, utility company has no say over it. This is how I know how much power my car is really getting.
If that is your concern then you do a splash-n-go before arriving home, only stopping for 5-10 minutes at a high speed DCFC site.
My sister has a 2023 Model S. Drives 700 miles (each way) to see me. Stops 4 times to charge.
8 minutes
18 minutes
11 minutes
12 minutes
Stays about 5 minutes longer at that last one to have more than the minimums when she arrives here.
I understand that. My fear is an unlikely "what-if" scenario. I also have numerous vehicles, so actually being stuck is even more remote.
And living in Silicon Valley, there are Superchargers everywhere, including hospitals, clinics, etc. My fear is really a non-issue.
A Tesla Wall Connector is $420 with NACS connector. Other companies make EVSEs with J1772 connectors for more or less than the Tesla Wall Connector costs. A Tesla Mobile Connector plugs into a NEMA 14-50 outlet (common 50A outlet at RV parks) for $300. No installation if you have a NEMA 14-50 in your garage, and what Real Man doesn't have one for his welder? The Mobile Connector is limited to 32A charging while Wall Connector can go up to 48A.
Wiring a 50A or 60A circuit can cost as little as $100 if you do it yourself. Estimate $6/foot for wire.
Grandfather put his on a stand about 8' off the ground and "pumped" with gravity.
Local Philips 66 distributor came by periodically to fill the 200 gallon tank.
These days farmers commonly mount a 100 gallon transfer tank in a pickup truck to haul diesel to their tractor(s). This is not legal for gasoline which is much more volatile and flammable.
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