Time saved by not going to gas stations in non road trip scenarios: Rivian vs CX-9

I filled up the diesel VW this morning, less than 5 min for 12 gal of diesel that cost $40, the last time was about a month ago.
Moving cars around to get to a charger at home would be more trouble.
The Tesla Wall Charger cable is 24' I believe. And there are Extension cables so you get about 50'. Just sayin' in case you ever get the EV urge... That Neue Klasse just might be one incredible EV!
I wonder if all that length would cause a voltage drop?

I spend about $40 per month to charge the Tesla at home, but PG&E throws the house in for free. And they give me change from time to time.
 
The Tesla Wall Charger cable is 24' I believe. And there are Extension cables so you get about 50'. Just sayin' in case you ever get the EV urge... That Neue Klasse just might be one incredible EV!
I wonder if all that length would cause a voltage drop?

I spend about $40 per month to charge the Tesla at home, but PG&E throws the house in for free. And they give me change from time to time.
That's what I do. I run an extension. I just leave it on at all times for ease of use.. I'd could reach a Tesla backed up to the front of my garage door if necessary. That will come into play when my oldest starts driving if she wants an EV.
 
Question for you: How often do you drive more than 250 miles in one day?
Of course I am assuming you have adequate charging capability at home...

Sure, some ICE vehicles can hit 400 miles on a tank, but if you don't regularly use that, it becomes less of a meaningful data point.

I drove about 200 miles today. Charged to 90% last night instead of my usual 75%. Got home with about 50 miles, or whatever. Zero gas station time or cost involved.
Not too often above 250 a day, but 200 is pretty common, but we have charging at work(level2 and fairly expensive though), so those days work fine. It's more the 200-300 mile weekend trips in the winter, as the range drops off, and you need a 110V overnight just to maintain range with a car below -10 or -20C?
It can be done, but I think it would cost $200 more a weekend to do it with the ease of a gas vehicle(stay at a hotel with or near decent charging). Or a bit or a lot of inconvenience, depending on the situation.
Anyone have any numbers on EV range loss just sitting in low temps, unplugged? They are hard to find, as I think the assumption is that you avoid this as much as you can! I suspect 3-4 days sitting in a brisk wind at -20C will have most ranges near zero?
 
The guy is mind friggin himself big time. Putting gas/diesel in any one of cars takes about 5 min for 500-700 miles. Around me are at least 5 gas stations within 1 to 2 min away. Starting with a full tank to Florida I need one 5 min stop for 15 gallons.
From the time you turn the nozzle on until it clicks off is 5 minutes. Now account for the time to start the pump with your credit card, the time to divert from your path into the gas station, the time circling the gas station for an open pump, and the time to resume your route.

9 minutes is quick.

OTOH I know from Ring video evidence I spend 15 seconds connecting my Tesla, and 15 seconds to disconnect.
 
When we calculate charging costs are we including the "wasted" power that doesnt directly end up in the battery?

Does anyone know the percentage of electrical waste in the form of heat when charging? I assume it's a fluid number, different for each type of vehicle and charger. More or less, the electricity you are paying for isnt all going into the battery.

(im not posting this to be argumentative, I have seen this mentioned before a couple times, not sure where)

I think we can all agree that an EV works well for the OP and many others. Its nice to have choices for both "fuels"
 
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The guy is mind friggin himself big time. Putting gas/diesel in any one of cars takes about 5 min for 500-700 miles. Around me are at least 5 gas stations within 1 to 2 min away. Starting with a full tank to Florida I need one 5 min stop for 15 gallons.
LOL. Mind frigging himself eh? He's just making an apples to apples comparison for HIS use case.

Nice that you have 5 gas stations within 2 minutes. I do not. It would take 15-20 minutes to go fill up with the 7-8 minutes it would take me to get to the closest gas station each way. And it's not on the route I would normally take to get to my house, the one that is on-route, would take 10-12 minutes to get to.

You guys are always telling us it takes too long on trips. Why not throw in the other time sinks from when we're not on a trip? Charging at home is much more convenient.
 
$0.42 kWh? That’s your home rate? Superchargers here are $0.39 kWh. My home rate is $0.13 kWh. With taxes figured in that number is roughly $0.17kWh.

Holy crap man. That rate is highway robbery.
It sure is, at one time (it still may be) we had some of the highest electric rates in the USA outside of Hawaii.
 
If my math is correct there are 43,800 hours in 5 years. 18 hours is insignificant. The guy probably wasted that much time thinking about an executing this video.
Absolutely irrelevant how many total hours there are in a year, or 5 years.

The relevant metric is how much total time is spent fueling your vehicle in all use cases. Yes, you're giving up time on long trips with an EV, but you're getting it back with around town stops that you don't need to make.
 
I had no idea how convenient charging at home would be. It has to be experienced to be appreciated. Sounds funny, but that's my experience. It's not what I thought; you learn. 5 minutes to fill up? Try 20 seconds... The local Costco gas pumps are not nearly as handy as my garage...
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Ah yes Costco. When I had my Navigator, I frequently filled up there as it's usually the cheapest gas around. But I had to get get off the freeway where I would not have otherwise, and I usually had to wait to access the pump. sometimes for 2 or 3 other vehicles to fill up. Another time sink for an ICE vehicle.
 
I think if you can afford a Rivian, EV work pretty good, as you can afford the $3-400 a night place with chargers everywhere you go.
It's not that expensive to find one with an EV charger, you just need to use a hotel search engine with the ability to filter on that feature. We've stayed overnight at a hotel with a free L2 charger for less than $100.
 
So flying wins. Not too surprising for those of us who have flown to Texas from at least a thousand miles away.
That's kind of besides the point. Yes, flying always wins and we usually do so as well if it's more than 400 miles away.
 
Here's my EV concern: Say I just came home from 275 mile trip so my remaining range is low. If I had an emergency and needed to drive 50 miles or whatever, I might be in trouble.
You can route plan to arrive at home with a useful state of charge. I do this frequently. I don't want to arrive at the destination with battery below 20%. There are route planning tools like ABRP that will do this for you.
 
I have no idea what your electric rate is but what would that cost at $.42 kWh?
$0.42 kWh? That’s your home rate? Superchargers here are $0.39 kWh. My home rate is $0.13 kWh. With taxes figured in that number is roughly $0.17kWh.

Holy crap man. That rate is highway robbery.
CA energy rates are crazy expensive, and PG&E likes to burn down our forrest's.
Solar panels are a popular solution around here; there's a reason for it.
 
I have no idea what your electric rate is but what would that cost at $.42 kWh?
Insane rate. You'd go broke driving a low efficiency EV like my Lightning for sure, if you drive a lot.

I assume you don't have CA like gas prices, out there, you're kind of darned if you do and darned if you don't. Electricity is insane high, but then again so is gas.
 
CA energy rates are crazy expensive, and PG&E likes to burn down our forrest's.
Solar panels are a popular solution around here; there's a reason for it.
Yeah. At my electricity rates they will never pay for themselves, however, at CA energy rates it's got to look a lot better.

That said, we have hurricanes, floods, winter storms, etc, so there's an argument to be made for having something beyond just ERCOT supplied electricity.
 
Not too often above 250 a day, but 200 is pretty common, but we have charging at work(level2 and fairly expensive though), so those days work fine. It's more the 200-300 mile weekend trips in the winter, as the range drops off, and you need a 110V overnight just to maintain range with a car below -10 or -20C?
It can be done, but I think it would cost $200 more a weekend to do it with the ease of a gas vehicle(stay at a hotel with or near decent charging). Or a bit or a lot of inconvenience, depending on the situation.
Anyone have any numbers on EV range loss just sitting in low temps, unplugged? They are hard to find, as I think the assumption is that you avoid this as much as you can! I suspect 3-4 days sitting in a brisk wind at -20C will have most ranges near zero?
EV charging methodology is different than gas. On the road, you don't necessarily charge to full; you charge for 15 minutes, or whatever, and get back on the road. 15 minutes can get you 200 miles, depending.

I have no real understanding about cold weather affects on charging; others can chime in.
I think you made my point; people think their vehicle has to get 400 miles of range. Some people need that, but most do not. It is far less important than many think. Effective charging at home is the most important to me.
 
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