Time for mandatory inspections through the US?

[exranger06]

Originally Posted By: JimPghPA

I think the relatives of the more than 30,000 people who are killed every year in vehicle accidents in the United States might not agree with you about this.

Look on Wikipedia about how many people are killed in the United States, and other countries, each year in vehicle accidents and you might understand why I chose my closing line.

How many of those 30,000 people were killed due to unsafe vehicles? Does that 30,000 include the people killed from distracted driving, driving under the influence, poor judgement, speeding, and loss of control, or is that 30,000 killed from just unsafe vehicles?

 

[morris]

how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.

 

[The_Jeff]

Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.


You could have that fixed instantly with a 1x3 inch decal from your insurance company with the date you're irrevocably paid through, visible on the lower left corner of your rear window. Vigilantes would have a field day calling expired ones in.

 

[yonyon]

Originally Posted By: eljefino

You could have that fixed instantly with a 1x3 inch decal from your insurance company with the date you're irrevocably paid through, visible on the lower left corner of your rear window. Vigilantes would have a field day calling expired ones in.


That would be awesome! It would be almost as great as having a law requiring licensed drivers know how to drive and be able to see!

Unfortunately, your idea would be labelled racist just as my dream would be labelled as age-ist. Politicians like getting re-elected.

Edit: It does not matter that any argument for calling such measures racist or age-ist is based itself on real racism or age-ism.

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: tom slick
Sounds like you need to start with Michigan...


Oh I so agree...you'd have to live here to understand it!

And wow, I was not expecting this to get this big..and thank you guys for keeping it civil!

I would not want to make these inspections federal, state mandated would be fine. Different states have different issues (like rust, for example). And as much as I hate nannism (would have hated it just a few years ago), it seems people have simply have stopped caring. And to those who say to let the cops do their jobs (I agree), they are dealing with much bigger problems with even less staff...

And to those who mention the hard times (like the single mom example), I too have been through some very hard times, and was still able to take care of the important things (like my car). And hopefully states will come up with programs that will help these kind of people in need...

But one thing I REFUSE to compromise is my Safety, and the safety of others around me. If a house has a major issue, they close it up. Same as they road that we drive on. So why not the cars we drive? Trust me, I take pity and understand these times, but there has to be a point where it stops. I simply can't see telling someone that their spouse died because someone could not afford a tire....

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.



Major ticket?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.


You could have that fixed instantly with a 1x3 inch decal from your insurance company with the date you're irrevocably paid through, visible on the lower left corner of your rear window. Vigilantes would have a field day calling expired ones in.


No, people would have a field day selling fakes, and/or stealing legit stickers!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.



Major ticket?


How? They have no licences or ID, so you have no way of even knowing their name!

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.



Major ticket?


How? They have no licences or ID, so you have no way of even knowing their name!


Ah, didn't think of that one....

 

[Cujet]

Really? Federally mandated automobile inspections?

Under what version of the US Constitution, enumerated powers can the Federal Government mandate such a thing?

Answer: They can't. It's up to the states.

 

[JimPghPA]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.


You could have that fixed instantly with a 1x3 inch decal from your insurance company with the date you're irrevocably paid through, visible on the lower left corner of your rear window. Vigilantes would have a field day calling expired ones in.


Thieves would have a field day selling stolen or counterfeit stickers.

 

[JimPghPA]

Originally Posted By: Cujet
Really? Federally mandated automobile inspections?

Under what version of the US Constitution, enumerated powers can the Federal Government mandate such a thing?

Answer: They can't. It's up to the states.


Driving is a privilege, not a rite.

 

[Ross]

Here in ND for passanger autos there are no inspections (emmisions or safety). The police can issue you a ticket to get something fixed, but rarely do. It's not much of an issue here.

The HP do random inspection of heavy haulers.

But we are about to build the first refinery in the US in over 30 years!!

If you can stand the winters, life is good here. No inspections!

 

[JimPghPA]

The United States of America is far behind several other countries such as Finland, Germany, and even Russia regarding the education and testing required to obtain a drivers license.

And how about Bahrain where the penalty for DUI is a firing squad for everyone who was in the vehicle.

It really cuts down on repeat offenders.

 

[JimPghPA]

Pennsylvania is about to get a refinery in Beaver County.

 

[The_Jeff]

Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: morris
how about the people who come in to MY country illegally that wont buy car insurance. THAT needs to be fixed.


You could have that fixed instantly with a 1x3 inch decal from your insurance company with the date you're irrevocably paid through, visible on the lower left corner of your rear window. Vigilantes would have a field day calling expired ones in.


Thieves would have a field day selling stolen or counterfeit stickers.


Put the VIN/ tag # / control # on the sticker and let a state DMV website confirm if said VIN is legal.

We had a guy faking inspection stickers up here a year ago and he got buuuusted!

I don't see many civics or malibus rolling on bald (cheap) 15" tires. Almost always some truck/SUV/van where the owner is shelling out big bucks for gas. Here's a shocker, if you get a status symbol, you need to spend the money to keep it up. Turn off your cable TV for a couple months if you have to: The month of your inspection doesn't sneak up on you.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
The United States of America is far behind several other countries such as Finland, Germany, and even Russia regarding the education and testing required to obtain a drivers license.


I'm sure we could up the licensing requirements. Right after we drastically increase public transport, for those who can't be bothered to pass a more stringent test (or who can't for reasons of age/disability).

Driving may well be a priveledge, but it's still something of a right, since everyone still has a right (and need) to go down public roads. Ever since we've decided that the automobile is the way to go (over foot, horse or bicycle) we're been stuck with this right/priveledge issue.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: supton
Driving may well be a priveledge, but it's still something of a right, since everyone still has a right (and need) to go down public roads. Ever since we've decided that the automobile is the way to go (over foot, horse or bicycle) we're been stuck with this right/priveledge issue.


Nonsense. Driving is a privilege, period. If someone elects not to keep a vehicle maintained to minimum safety standards, or someone chooses not to have insurance, they have no business endangering those of us who do. They can still walk, ride a bicycle, or take public transportation.

Most of the people that claim they can't afford to maintain a vehicle still manage to have a cell phone (no, that's not a right either), cable or satellite TV (again, not a right) or choose to have a boatload of kids (a choice) that they also can't afford.

I have no problem with the way that someone sets their priorities for their life, but along with that comes responsibility. Claiming that driving is a right as opposed to a privilege absolves people of the responsibility they have to the rest of the motoring public.

That lack of personal responsibility is something that is, and should be to everyone, unconditionally unacceptable.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
And how about Bahrain where the penalty for DUI is a firing squad for everyone who was in the vehicle.

It really cuts down on repeat offenders.


Without delving into politics or religion, I suspect that's because of the Muslim attitudes to alcohol and not due to any get-tough stance on drinking and driving. The firing squad penalty probably applies to walking down the street while drinking a beer.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Really? Federally mandated automobile inspections?

Under what version of the US Constitution, enumerated powers can the Federal Government mandate such a thing?

Answer: They can't. It's up to the states.


Driving is a privilege, not a rite.


Nice comeback, but "free and unrestricted travel" is a natural right. Higher courts and the US Supreme court have routinely ruled that the method of travel matters not. On foot, horse, car or airplane, free and unrestricted travel remains a natural right in the United States.

So, while driving may be considered a privilege, the travel itself is not, and therefore cannot be federally regulated on an individual level.

That's why the interstate commerce clause is the basis for the EPA, the NHTSA and more. Your car comes with federally mandated features under this methodology. Yet, the instant you take possession, the regulation is a state matter.