Around here it is just people driving at night with no headlights. If a car smokes too much they do pull you over.
Time for mandatory inspections through the US?
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Originally Posted By: bourne
Well, we are not. Safety inspections should be a must in every state.
Well, you can keep them, because I sure as [censored] don't want them.
Maybe one of the few reasons I'm glad we live in Nebraska. No crooked inspections.
Well, we are not. Safety inspections should be a must in every state.
Well, you can keep them, because I sure as [censored] don't want them.
Maybe one of the few reasons I'm glad we live in Nebraska. No crooked inspections.
Yes, it WOULD be nice if we could get some OBJECTIVE data about accident rates viz inspection standards. Seems the Safety Nazi's can only rant about "Speeding" -- and that's all the political stooges want to grandstand about. They might fear that "elderly drivers" might be found at the top of an objective list.
NOBODY wants to cross them.
NOBODY wants to cross them.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I'm all for it as long as they let me fix the car myself.
In VA they just "Reject" the car and you have whoever repair it... Can be by the insp station if it's your choice, all are repair shops contracted to the state... A reject that's reinsp within 15 days only has to verify the original issue is corrected(cost $1), after 15 days, the vehicle goes through a total reinspection and full insp charge of $16...
I let my inspectors know I'm going to verify & fix anything they find wrong, seldom do I have a issue and never a rejection in 46 years of vehicle ownership...
I'm all for it as long as they let me fix the car myself.
In VA they just "Reject" the car and you have whoever repair it... Can be by the insp station if it's your choice, all are repair shops contracted to the state... A reject that's reinsp within 15 days only has to verify the original issue is corrected(cost $1), after 15 days, the vehicle goes through a total reinspection and full insp charge of $16...
I let my inspectors know I'm going to verify & fix anything they find wrong, seldom do I have a issue and never a rejection in 46 years of vehicle ownership...
All good here. What amazes me is you can have a cracked windshield and as long as the crack doesn't effect the drivers vision, you'll still pass inspection. Same thing with tires, as long no cord is showing you'll pass.
I was worried last inspection on the CRV because of 2/32's on one of the tires. The guy told me don't worry, you don't have any cord showing.
I was worried last inspection on the CRV because of 2/32's on one of the tires. The guy told me don't worry, you don't have any cord showing.
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If folks know their car won't pass, either they sell it for cheap with the issue stated, or they skate around getting it done. One can skate for well over a year, but it catches up with them either at the next inspection or at registration time every 2 years.
And, it at least forces folks to pay attention to their cars. My folks went through some tough times too, and they managed to still keep the cars shod in legal-depth tires and without a CEL on. Seeing my folks fix the car on the parking pad since they couldn't afford to have a mechanic fix it and still needed it to get to work 20 miles away left an impression on me.
My dad once got a $300 ticket for letting the inspection go over by 4-5 months. He let it go for something that was a fairly easy fix, and got caught. My family was much better about making sure the cars were inspected on time after that. We did spend a few weekends fixing the cars to get them ready for inspection over the years. It was quality time with dad.
And, it at least forces folks to pay attention to their cars. My folks went through some tough times too, and they managed to still keep the cars shod in legal-depth tires and without a CEL on. Seeing my folks fix the car on the parking pad since they couldn't afford to have a mechanic fix it and still needed it to get to work 20 miles away left an impression on me.
My dad once got a $300 ticket for letting the inspection go over by 4-5 months. He let it go for something that was a fairly easy fix, and got caught. My family was much better about making sure the cars were inspected on time after that. We did spend a few weekends fixing the cars to get them ready for inspection over the years. It was quality time with dad.
Doctors have licenses to practice and have dirty rooms, unsafe handling of needles / disposal yet remain open. They cause cross contamination and sickening the elderly during just a routine checkup.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
If folks know their car won't pass, either they sell it for cheap with the issue stated, or they skate around getting it done. One can skate for well over a year, but it catches up with them either at the next inspection or at registration time every 2 years.
And, it at least forces folks to pay attention to their cars. My folks went through some tough times too, and they managed to still keep the cars shod in legal-depth tires and without a CEL on. Seeing my folks fix the car on the parking pad since they couldn't afford to have a mechanic fix it and still needed it to get to work 20 miles away left an impression on me.
My dad once got a $300 ticket for letting the inspection go over by 4-5 months. He let it go for something that was a fairly easy fix, and got caught. My family was much better about making sure the cars were inspected on time after that. We did spend a few weekends fixing the cars to get them ready for inspection over the years. It was quality time with dad.
My Cherokee failed inspection for a "blown" steering stabilizer and "worn out" shocks. Conveniently, the place I had the inspection done ... happened to sell both!
Now , the steering stabilizer was covered in oil from an ATF leak. Last time I checked, steering stabilizers weren't filled with ATF. Also, the shocks were brand new and had under 2000 miles on them.
Mind you, neither of those are on the NYS inspection criteria.
When I got home, I found that I had a lose front wheel bearing.
Front wheel bearings are on the criteria for inspection.
The inspections also open up dishonest organizations to rip people off.
I replaced the wheel bearing and shocks, took a half day off from work and went to my HONEST, INDEPENDENT mechanic who also does inspections. He thoroughly inspected the vehicle (including the wheel bearing) and it passed inspection as a safe vehicle.
And ... in case anyone is searching for reviews of this place on google ...
KOST TIRE NORTH SYRACUSE NY RIP OFF REVIEW
If folks know their car won't pass, either they sell it for cheap with the issue stated, or they skate around getting it done. One can skate for well over a year, but it catches up with them either at the next inspection or at registration time every 2 years.
And, it at least forces folks to pay attention to their cars. My folks went through some tough times too, and they managed to still keep the cars shod in legal-depth tires and without a CEL on. Seeing my folks fix the car on the parking pad since they couldn't afford to have a mechanic fix it and still needed it to get to work 20 miles away left an impression on me.
My dad once got a $300 ticket for letting the inspection go over by 4-5 months. He let it go for something that was a fairly easy fix, and got caught. My family was much better about making sure the cars were inspected on time after that. We did spend a few weekends fixing the cars to get them ready for inspection over the years. It was quality time with dad.
My Cherokee failed inspection for a "blown" steering stabilizer and "worn out" shocks. Conveniently, the place I had the inspection done ... happened to sell both!
Now , the steering stabilizer was covered in oil from an ATF leak. Last time I checked, steering stabilizers weren't filled with ATF. Also, the shocks were brand new and had under 2000 miles on them.
Mind you, neither of those are on the NYS inspection criteria.
When I got home, I found that I had a lose front wheel bearing.
Front wheel bearings are on the criteria for inspection.
The inspections also open up dishonest organizations to rip people off.
I replaced the wheel bearing and shocks, took a half day off from work and went to my HONEST, INDEPENDENT mechanic who also does inspections. He thoroughly inspected the vehicle (including the wheel bearing) and it passed inspection as a safe vehicle.
And ... in case anyone is searching for reviews of this place on google ...
KOST TIRE NORTH SYRACUSE NY RIP OFF REVIEW
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That's the thing. People need to realize they need mechanics they can trust. And then be willing to pay them for their honesty by doing their repairs there.
I also think $40 is a bit low for an inspection. In NH you're going to pull two wheels and check brake linings, in addition to front end/etc--and all for $40? Seems like it should be higher, that way just doing the inspection pays for the shop time--unless if the intent is that a shop is going to make money off of "failed" inspections instead...
I also think $40 is a bit low for an inspection. In NH you're going to pull two wheels and check brake linings, in addition to front end/etc--and all for $40? Seems like it should be higher, that way just doing the inspection pays for the shop time--unless if the intent is that a shop is going to make money off of "failed" inspections instead...
Yes, way to much junk on the road.
I'd love once a year inspections on tires, brakes, suspension, etc.
I'd love once a year inspections on tires, brakes, suspension, etc.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Wow. Some of you guys are just awesome. You can tell who's never really been through tough times here.
Let's tell the low-income single Mom that she can't have her car back until she buys $600 in tires & pays a hefty fine.
Brilliant.
Bus pass, driving is a privilege and not a right. Although people seem to think it is.
If that low income mom slams her [censored] car into my truck than I get to pay for it or be hurt. Great.
What about her kids?
Wow. Some of you guys are just awesome. You can tell who's never really been through tough times here.
Let's tell the low-income single Mom that she can't have her car back until she buys $600 in tires & pays a hefty fine.
Brilliant.
Bus pass, driving is a privilege and not a right. Although people seem to think it is.
If that low income mom slams her [censored] car into my truck than I get to pay for it or be hurt. Great.
What about her kids?
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Originally Posted By: Fordiesel69
Doctors have licenses to practice and have dirty rooms, unsafe handling of needles / disposal yet remain open. They cause cross contamination and sickening the elderly during just a routine checkup.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
This is some of the most unbelievably flawed logic I've ever read. Do you really think that doctor-related deaths and airline accidents would remain the same if all regulations were removed? That's beyond ridiculous. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time means that it's not effective? Seriously? I honestly don't have a strong opinion on the matter since I haven't seen compelling data one way or another, but silly comments like this do nothing to add to the discussion.
Doctors have licenses to practice and have dirty rooms, unsafe handling of needles / disposal yet remain open. They cause cross contamination and sickening the elderly during just a routine checkup.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
This is some of the most unbelievably flawed logic I've ever read. Do you really think that doctor-related deaths and airline accidents would remain the same if all regulations were removed? That's beyond ridiculous. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time means that it's not effective? Seriously? I honestly don't have a strong opinion on the matter since I haven't seen compelling data one way or another, but silly comments like this do nothing to add to the discussion.
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Originally Posted By: Fordiesel69
Doctors have licenses to practice and have dirty rooms, unsafe handling of needles / disposal yet remain open. They cause cross contamination and sickening the elderly during just a routine checkup.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
This is some of the most unbelievably flawed logic I've ever read. Do you really think that doctor-related deaths and airline accidents would remain the same if all regulations were removed? That's beyond ridiculous. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time means that it's not effective? Seriously? I honestly don't have a strong opinion on the matter since I haven't seen compelling data one way or another, but silly comments like this do nothing to add to the discussion.
Exactly. If regulated medicine was such a monster, I welcome this gentleman to go seek some medical treatment in Somalia, Bangladesh...etc. If he survives and manages to retain his limbs, he may have a different opinion on this "evil" we practice here.
Originally Posted By: Fordiesel69
Doctors have licenses to practice and have dirty rooms, unsafe handling of needles / disposal yet remain open. They cause cross contamination and sickening the elderly during just a routine checkup.
Furnace people have certifications + state licenses and fix furnaces improperly, cause loss of property / deaths.
Airlines have strict policys yet crashes still happen.
In PA we have one of the most strict inspections offered. It affects every driver, even those with brand new vehicles. So the dealer foots the first bill and passes it on to the purchaser.
I completely disgree for mandatory inspections. A better solution would be enforcement of those who have voilations. For example if you are driveing in OH and the highway patrol sees your bed side flapping in the wind, that is a reason for a traffic stop and to do an inspection. This way the people who have good cars do not have to pay a $60 for nothing, while the person with the flapping bed sides gets the vehicle stamped with a non road worthiness tag.
Accidents are going to happen, there are going to be fatalities. Very little we can do to stop it.
This is some of the most unbelievably flawed logic I've ever read. Do you really think that doctor-related deaths and airline accidents would remain the same if all regulations were removed? That's beyond ridiculous. Because something doesn't work 100% of the time means that it's not effective? Seriously? I honestly don't have a strong opinion on the matter since I haven't seen compelling data one way or another, but silly comments like this do nothing to add to the discussion.
Exactly. If regulated medicine was such a monster, I welcome this gentleman to go seek some medical treatment in Somalia, Bangladesh...etc. If he survives and manages to retain his limbs, he may have a different opinion on this "evil" we practice here.
My state (actually county) emissions inspection is a federal mandate. We had too many "bad air days" (high ozone or whatever) in the 1990s and cooked this program up in response, and got the EPA off our backs. EPA rubber stamped it. We could also have gone after paper company smokestack emissions or cow flatus or wood smoke but decided on cars.
Now, we have few bad air days, but need to do a million dollar study to shake this mandate, with scientists and contractors writing a book about expected impacts, blah blah blah. Noone has the political will to pay for this study.
Emissions test is an OBDII scan and gas cap test.
Am fairly certain that interstate commercial vehicles over 10,000 pounds need to meet a federal safety inspection standard. The feds if they wanted to, and they don't have the will, could tie interstate highway money to a state run inspection program. They're too busy meddling with speed limits and blood alcohol levels.
A vehicle with antique plates (25+ years old) is exempt from inspection, I guess they figure if you can keep it running you know how to turn a wrench well enough to keep it safe.
Now, we have few bad air days, but need to do a million dollar study to shake this mandate, with scientists and contractors writing a book about expected impacts, blah blah blah. Noone has the political will to pay for this study.
Emissions test is an OBDII scan and gas cap test.
Am fairly certain that interstate commercial vehicles over 10,000 pounds need to meet a federal safety inspection standard. The feds if they wanted to, and they don't have the will, could tie interstate highway money to a state run inspection program. They're too busy meddling with speed limits and blood alcohol levels.
A vehicle with antique plates (25+ years old) is exempt from inspection, I guess they figure if you can keep it running you know how to turn a wrench well enough to keep it safe.
My brother took his beater Chevy Venture to get inspected at the beginning of the month to the Goodyear on Niagara Falls Boulevard in Tonawanda, NY across from the Boulevard Mall. They stated he "needed" $1500 of work to pass inspection. Things like a coolant flush, ATF flush, brake flush, new struts all around, a LED brake light that "too few of the LED's light up" (the outermost 4 were out, leaving 10 LED's to light up), and a bad control arm bushing. They told him it was unsafe to drive out of the shop. He called me, and asked my opinion. I told him to take it to a mechanic I trusted (sadly now left for another shop) around the corner. My guy told him that the only item needed to pass was the control arm bushing, since it was disintegrated. $300 later his van was inspected and driving better than it had in a long time. My brother sent a bunch of other work that mechanic's way while he was still at that shop.
Moral of the story: There are dishonest and honest shops out there, and one has the right to choose which shop to get the car inspected at when playing by the rules.
Moral of the story: There are dishonest and honest shops out there, and one has the right to choose which shop to get the car inspected at when playing by the rules.
we have the laws on the books NOW that cover the issues that daves87rs talks about. just get your local law enforcement to do there job.
Here in Pennsylvania we have vehicle and emission test once a year, and I think now they have added that when a used vehicle is sold it must be inspected within a certain amount of time.
However someone can borrow a set of tires and rims, get the vehicle inspected, and then put a set of bald tires back on and drive until a the tires blow out or another inspection is due.
What we really need is a way to get tire treed depth inspected on a more often basis. A couple of times I heard about someone working on a system that installed in the ground and inspected tires when a vehicle drove over it. But I have never heard of it actually being used to remove bald tires from being used on public roads.
Back in the early 70's a friend of mine was in a vehicle accident and the local police (not even a state trooper) checked the treed depth and also the air pressure of all tires. They all were good. But that was the last time I ever hears of any police officer looking at tires.
I have seen upside down vehicles on TV news reports of accidents and you could tell it had been raining and see that some of the tires were bald or very low on treed, and never have I heard a reporter comment about the tires on a vehicle.
However someone can borrow a set of tires and rims, get the vehicle inspected, and then put a set of bald tires back on and drive until a the tires blow out or another inspection is due.
What we really need is a way to get tire treed depth inspected on a more often basis. A couple of times I heard about someone working on a system that installed in the ground and inspected tires when a vehicle drove over it. But I have never heard of it actually being used to remove bald tires from being used on public roads.
Back in the early 70's a friend of mine was in a vehicle accident and the local police (not even a state trooper) checked the treed depth and also the air pressure of all tires. They all were good. But that was the last time I ever hears of any police officer looking at tires.
I have seen upside down vehicles on TV news reports of accidents and you could tell it had been raining and see that some of the tires were bald or very low on treed, and never have I heard a reporter comment about the tires on a vehicle.
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Originally Posted By: DB_Cooper
The NC cops were always too busy writing tickets for 43mph in a 35mph zone..a favorite of theirs. I knew of more than one person that got a ticket for faulty equipment..at the scene of an accident. Thats when they wrote up the "faulty brakes or tail lamps:.
In my county you can actually "negotiate" speeding tickets online. You punch in your citation number, and the website offers up some plea deal that is lower. They are mostly after the court fees which are the bulk of the fine and don't change.
The NC cops were always too busy writing tickets for 43mph in a 35mph zone..a favorite of theirs. I knew of more than one person that got a ticket for faulty equipment..at the scene of an accident. Thats when they wrote up the "faulty brakes or tail lamps:.
In my county you can actually "negotiate" speeding tickets online. You punch in your citation number, and the website offers up some plea deal that is lower. They are mostly after the court fees which are the bulk of the fine and don't change.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
The costs and time would be horrid.
Gov't intervention would be stagnating and intrusive.
Who needs another burden?
I think the relatives of the more than 30,000 people who are killed every year in vehicle accidents in the United States might not agree with you about this.
Look on Wikipedia about how many people are killed in the United States, and other countries, each year in vehicle accidents and you might understand why I chose my closing line.
The costs and time would be horrid.
Gov't intervention would be stagnating and intrusive.
Who needs another burden?
I think the relatives of the more than 30,000 people who are killed every year in vehicle accidents in the United States might not agree with you about this.
Look on Wikipedia about how many people are killed in the United States, and other countries, each year in vehicle accidents and you might understand why I chose my closing line.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
All good here. What amazes me is you can have a cracked windshield and as long as the crack doesn't effect the drivers vision, you'll still pass inspection. Same thing with tires, as long no cord is showing you'll pass.
I was worried last inspection on the CRV because of 2/32's on one of the tires. The guy told me don't worry, you don't have any cord showing.
How often does it rain in Texas? Don't try driving in Pennsylvania with tires like that. Though you may not get stopped by a police officer, you will hydroplane and loose control. Heck I have seen cars with extra wide tires that had enough treed to pass inspection loose control and hydroplane in a good rain storm.
All good here. What amazes me is you can have a cracked windshield and as long as the crack doesn't effect the drivers vision, you'll still pass inspection. Same thing with tires, as long no cord is showing you'll pass.
I was worried last inspection on the CRV because of 2/32's on one of the tires. The guy told me don't worry, you don't have any cord showing.
How often does it rain in Texas? Don't try driving in Pennsylvania with tires like that. Though you may not get stopped by a police officer, you will hydroplane and loose control. Heck I have seen cars with extra wide tires that had enough treed to pass inspection loose control and hydroplane in a good rain storm.
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