You guys with the mobil/amsoil corralation sure are confusing the newbie
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Originally Posted By: big_impact
You guys with the mobil/amsoil corralation sure are confusing the newbie
I'm confident by the time your post count reaches 100, you will have a much better understanding.
You guys with the mobil/amsoil corralation sure are confusing the newbie
I'm confident by the time your post count reaches 100, you will have a much better understanding.
Ive lurked for a long time, first ive read of amsoil/mobil connection
Originally Posted By: **** in Falls Church
AMSOIL purchases at least some of its base stocks from ExxonMobil Chemical, obviously a subsidiary of MobilExxon.
Apparently there is enough quantity involved to make AMSOIL one of the (if not the) major accounts.
AMSOIL purchases base stocks and additives from a number of different suppliers. And they do it in quantities which have the suppliers contacting AMSOIL on a regular basis (unlike the early days). It is interesting to note some of the suppliers and contents labels on the 55 gal drums in the plant.
When a company comes up with a new additive and approaches AMSOIL with it, it is reviewed. If it could be appropriate, a test batch is prepared and run in carefully monitored normal-use vehicles.
If it works as well or better than claimed, AMSOIL may choose to incorporate it in the formulation, based at least partly on price.
In at least one case that I was told of, a test reformulation had been in progress for an extended period (two years comes to mind.)
Do the other companies know that AMSOIL exists? After more than 30 years, you betcha. Do they compare their products with AMSOIL? Not publicly, far as I've seen. After all, why would they give publicity to a little company. But you can bet they've all looked at any comparisons that AMSOIL has published over the years.
As mentioned earlier, all material arriving at the plant is quarantined until the lab tests a sample to insure quality.
And, yes, tankcars of base stocks have been refused (though certainly not often).
Thanks for the info.....
AMSOIL purchases at least some of its base stocks from ExxonMobil Chemical, obviously a subsidiary of MobilExxon.
Apparently there is enough quantity involved to make AMSOIL one of the (if not the) major accounts.
AMSOIL purchases base stocks and additives from a number of different suppliers. And they do it in quantities which have the suppliers contacting AMSOIL on a regular basis (unlike the early days). It is interesting to note some of the suppliers and contents labels on the 55 gal drums in the plant.
When a company comes up with a new additive and approaches AMSOIL with it, it is reviewed. If it could be appropriate, a test batch is prepared and run in carefully monitored normal-use vehicles.
If it works as well or better than claimed, AMSOIL may choose to incorporate it in the formulation, based at least partly on price.
In at least one case that I was told of, a test reformulation had been in progress for an extended period (two years comes to mind.)
Do the other companies know that AMSOIL exists? After more than 30 years, you betcha. Do they compare their products with AMSOIL? Not publicly, far as I've seen. After all, why would they give publicity to a little company. But you can bet they've all looked at any comparisons that AMSOIL has published over the years.
As mentioned earlier, all material arriving at the plant is quarantined until the lab tests a sample to insure quality.
And, yes, tankcars of base stocks have been refused (though certainly not often).
Thanks for the info.....
Quote: "AMSOIL purchases base stocks and additives from a number of different suppliers."
Amsoil is purchasing these products, they aren't making them. They buy and blend. Which leads me to believe that Buster's comments about them being behind 2-3 generations could be correct. A company like XOM could be keeping the cutting edge products for themselves. There's no law against that.
Amsoil is purchasing these products, they aren't making them. They buy and blend. Which leads me to believe that Buster's comments about them being behind 2-3 generations could be correct. A company like XOM could be keeping the cutting edge products for themselves. There's no law against that.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Quote: "AMSOIL purchases base stocks and additives from a number of different suppliers."
Amsoil is purchasing these products, they aren't making them. They buy and blend. Which leads me to believe that Buster's comments about them being behind 2-3 generations could be correct. A company like XOM could be keeping the cutting edge products for themselves. There's no law against that.
Could be. But isn't. Let's face it, people are mostly just speculating. You COULD say that about any blender.....Name the motor oil companies who make ALL their own ingredients.
I love when people just post stuff in quotes and don't even say who wrote it, or let alone cite a source!
Quote: "AMSOIL purchases base stocks and additives from a number of different suppliers."
Amsoil is purchasing these products, they aren't making them. They buy and blend. Which leads me to believe that Buster's comments about them being behind 2-3 generations could be correct. A company like XOM could be keeping the cutting edge products for themselves. There's no law against that.
Could be. But isn't. Let's face it, people are mostly just speculating. You COULD say that about any blender.....Name the motor oil companies who make ALL their own ingredients.
I love when people just post stuff in quotes and don't even say who wrote it, or let alone cite a source!
Lots of speculation here, and a lot of valid points too. Lets put it another way, the finished product is only as good as the ingredients put in it. Or the end justifies the means. Since Amosil is a blender their product can only be as good as what their suppliers are selling them. Do you think for a minute XOM is going to sell Amsoil something better than they use in their finished products? Reading UOA reports here, most engines properly maintained last a long time no matter what oil is used. UOA reports really are no indication of how good an engine looks internally, or how it is wearing. JMO
XOM will sell a commodity for margin. They are smart enough to know one commodity base oil is a) not some big secret b) not going to make any competitor vastly superior. I have absolutely no doubts XOM will sell a base oil they manufacture if there is a demand. I can assure you, the commodity base oil purchased from XOM is not some kind of inferior, old generation PAO. Funny what you are trying to imply though!!
I'm implying nothing, I'm agreeing with Buster. Again the end justifies the means, so if Amsoil is buying from XOM they are in effect using XOM base oil, or additives. Their end product is a direct result of the products they are buying from their suppliers. That is a fact I think most people can agree on. Maybe if you didn't sell Amsoil you'd have a different view point.
Do you really think if XOM developed a cutting edge base oil today, that Amsoil would be using it tomorrow? XOM would be the first to use it, then when they decide to sell it to blenders the blenders would get it.
Do you really think if XOM developed a cutting edge base oil today, that Amsoil would be using it tomorrow? XOM would be the first to use it, then when they decide to sell it to blenders the blenders would get it.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm implying nothing,
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Do you think for a minute XOM is going to sell Amsoil something better than they use in their finished products?
If XOM developed a cutting edge base oil, they would sell it for a decent margin in a heart beat.
The thing is, you already told the truth above. A motor oil is the sum of the parts. Amsoil is not beholden to XOM. They buy SOME bulk base oils from XOM, Chevron, Petro Canada and other companies. They can choose. Imagine all the great ester base oils out there. XOM could buy any of them - but do they? Competitors have and sell better base oils than XOM. Who is more free to buy them? It's a two edged sword.
I'm implying nothing,
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Do you think for a minute XOM is going to sell Amsoil something better than they use in their finished products?
If XOM developed a cutting edge base oil, they would sell it for a decent margin in a heart beat.
The thing is, you already told the truth above. A motor oil is the sum of the parts. Amsoil is not beholden to XOM. They buy SOME bulk base oils from XOM, Chevron, Petro Canada and other companies. They can choose. Imagine all the great ester base oils out there. XOM could buy any of them - but do they? Competitors have and sell better base oils than XOM. Who is more free to buy them? It's a two edged sword.
XOM leads the industry follows, and that's coming from a person who really has no great love for XOM. A company like Shell, Chevron, XOM, Petro Canada is the supplier and they have the first crack at what is cutting edge. When they decide to sell their latest and greatest they sell it. A blender is at the mercy of the suppliers. Yes the sword cuts both ways, but Amsoil is lower on the food chain, and w/o their suppliers they are nothing. Same goes for all blenders.
Following your logic, every base oil that XOM comes out with, is better than the next. Better for who?
Sure all companies are dependent on suppliers. ALL companies.
That does not mean they are nothing without one supplier. Nor are they "at the mercy" of the supplier. I've been in such relationships my entire adult life. The pendulum swings, but last I checked, suppliers get in a world of hurt without customers.
If you have some proof that XOM sells inferior base oils to Amsoil, BITOG would love posted evidence.
Sure all companies are dependent on suppliers. ALL companies.
That does not mean they are nothing without one supplier. Nor are they "at the mercy" of the supplier. I've been in such relationships my entire adult life. The pendulum swings, but last I checked, suppliers get in a world of hurt without customers.
If you have some proof that XOM sells inferior base oils to Amsoil, BITOG would love posted evidence.
Mobil 1 has the prettier bottle.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Following your logic, every base oil that XOM comes out with, is better than the next. Better for who?
Sure all companies are dependent on suppliers. ALL companies.
That does not mean they are nothing without one supplier. Nor are they "at the mercy" of the supplier. I've been in such relationships my entire adult life. The pendulum swings, but last I checked, suppliers get in a world of hurt without customers.
If you have some proof that XOM sells inferior base oils to Amsoil, BITOG would love posted evidence.
I never said inferior. They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
Following your logic, every base oil that XOM comes out with, is better than the next. Better for who?
Sure all companies are dependent on suppliers. ALL companies.
That does not mean they are nothing without one supplier. Nor are they "at the mercy" of the supplier. I've been in such relationships my entire adult life. The pendulum swings, but last I checked, suppliers get in a world of hurt without customers.
If you have some proof that XOM sells inferior base oils to Amsoil, BITOG would love posted evidence.
I never said inferior. They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I never said inferior. They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
Who leads and who follows?
From www.amsoil.com:
"AMSOIL has a documented history of innovation and leadership.
First to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil." XOM followed.
"First to introduce the concept of "extended drain intervals" with a recommended 25,000-mile/1-year drain interval." XOM followed. Now only offer a 15,000-mile/1-year drain interval.
"First U.S. company to utilize the NOACK volatility test as a standard of performance excellence." XOM followed.
"First to produce synthetic motor oils for diesel engines, racing engines, turbo and marine engines." XOM followed.
"First to introduce synthetic oils that legitimately contribute to improving fuel efficiency." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture synthetic gear lube for automotive use." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture a 100:1 pre-mix synthetic 2-cycle oil." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture a synthetic automatic transmission fluid for automotive use." XOM followed.
I never said inferior. They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
Who leads and who follows?
From www.amsoil.com:
"AMSOIL has a documented history of innovation and leadership.
First to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil." XOM followed.
"First to introduce the concept of "extended drain intervals" with a recommended 25,000-mile/1-year drain interval." XOM followed. Now only offer a 15,000-mile/1-year drain interval.
"First U.S. company to utilize the NOACK volatility test as a standard of performance excellence." XOM followed.
"First to produce synthetic motor oils for diesel engines, racing engines, turbo and marine engines." XOM followed.
"First to introduce synthetic oils that legitimately contribute to improving fuel efficiency." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture synthetic gear lube for automotive use." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture a 100:1 pre-mix synthetic 2-cycle oil." XOM followed.
"First to manufacture a synthetic automatic transmission fluid for automotive use." XOM followed.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
How about you provide proof of your statement.
They sell them base oil or additives, as tech evolves XOM leads Amsoil follows. Prove otherwise.
How about you provide proof of your statement.
Have a look at XOM's quarterly report, then a look at Amsoil's. Tell me who the leader is. Remember Amsoil buys from XOM, its not the other way around. If you can prove otherwise post it.
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