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Well, that is lower than Platinum has traditionally been though still not as low as Ultra. Conjecture is that Ultra's base stock is gas-to-liquid based rather than more-typical hydrocracked crude, which could explain the low volatility. Maybe this viscosity of Platinum includes a good dose of GTL base stock?
There are some (many?) who don't believe the published Ultra Noack numbers. These Platinum results suggest the Ultra PDS is not simply a typo, and it may be that Pennzoil will use its GTL capabilities more broadly across its product line.
There are some (many?) who don't believe the published Ultra Noack numbers. These Platinum results suggest the Ultra PDS is not simply a typo, and it may be that Pennzoil will use its GTL capabilities more broadly across its product line.
A couple of months ago they had a online Q&A session and said PU was 100% PAO/GTL in the SN version. PP was claimed to be mostly GPIII but who knows maybe they added some more GTL to it.
Good stuff either way.
Good stuff either way.
That is a low VI for an 0w20 at 164, base stock on it must be mighty good, so I'd be inclined to believe the low Noack.
Nice find!
Nice find!
The MSDS for Pennzoil Ultra 5w-20 specifically says "Fischer-Tropch derived base oil"; which pretty much means they are using GTL base oils in it. Ultra 5w-20 has a listed NOACK of 5.0, so, with the Platinum 0w-20 having such low NOACK now, it is likely GTL also. The other grades may also be GTL, but it is hard to say since their TDS' have not been updated.
If those scores are actually close to the real world performance, I think we might have a candidate for DI engines spec'ing 0w20 weight oils. I bet the GTL base will help it resist dilution better as well.
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Volatility of less than 10% is no longer a pipe dream with the availability of new base oils and additives.
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Volatility of less than 10% is no longer a pipe dream with the availability of new base oils and additives.
well good for ALL of us
Volatility of less than 10% is no longer a pipe dream with the availability of new base oils and additives.
well good for ALL of us
To my knowledge Chrysler has yet to spec an 0w20, yet PP states that their 0w20 meets MS6395. Interesting to say the least. Perhaps this adds a point to the theory that Chrysler oil specs are merely whatever the latest API and ILSAC levels are.
Looks like they are making a 0w20 Ultra. December 2012. Nice find.
Btw, how did you find it? This is what I found:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003211456_200906251727.pdf
Btw, how did you find it? This is what I found:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003211456_200906251727.pdf
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Looks like they are making a 0w20 Ultra. December 2012. Nice find.
Btw, how did you find it? This is what I found:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003211456_200906251727.pdf
Its PP 0w20. Ultra 0w20 is spoken about in hushed voices in dark alleyways. Thats why the surprise because the NOACK of all the other PP grades is avg for syn available in US.
Looks like they are making a 0w20 Ultra. December 2012. Nice find.
Btw, how did you find it? This is what I found:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003211456_200906251727.pdf
Its PP 0w20. Ultra 0w20 is spoken about in hushed voices in dark alleyways. Thats why the surprise because the NOACK of all the other PP grades is avg for syn available in US.
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That is a low VI for an 0w20 at 164, base stock on it must be mighty good, so I'd be inclined to believe the low Noack
Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
That is a low VI for an 0w20 at 164, base stock on it must be mighty good, so I'd be inclined to believe the low Noack
Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
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Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
Redline and Amsoil agree with you on that ( based on their pds data ) , and so is Valvoline to a certain extent. PP 5w20 is thinner than their Synpower 0w20.
Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
Redline and Amsoil agree with you on that ( based on their pds data ) , and so is Valvoline to a certain extent. PP 5w20 is thinner than their Synpower 0w20.
I'm surprised to see those numbers for Platinum. I wonder if they will continue to sell Ultra and just keep PP as the their top tier? I'm also curious if the other grades take on those same qualities.
All of these companies are tripping over themselves by creating multiple synthetics and niche oils.
All of these companies are tripping over themselves by creating multiple synthetics and niche oils.
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That is a low VI for an 0w20 at 164, base stock on it must be mighty good, so I'd be inclined to believe the low Noack
Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
Trav that's what I meant, that low VI means the base stocks would have to be very good, that's a good thing, and also why I'd tend to believe the low Noack is correct.
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That is a low VI for an 0w20 at 164, base stock on it must be mighty good, so I'd be inclined to believe the low Noack
Maybe high VI is not a big benefit when the oil is made with base stocks of this calibre.
I read some articles about high VI actually causing deposits when they break down so maybe Shell has pulled off a perfect balancing act.
Trav that's what I meant, that low VI means the base stocks would have to be very good, that's a good thing, and also why I'd tend to believe the low Noack is correct.
Rated by MRV :
M1 0w20 AFE : MRV @ -40ºc 9200
QSUD 0w20 : MRV @ -40°C 17,500
PP 0w20 : MRV @ -40c 17,700
Mobil Super Syn 0w20 : MRV @ -40c 26,800
Synpower 0w20 : MRV @ -40°C 30,000
Edge 0w20 : MRV @ -40C 60,000
Edge w/Ti 0w20 : No Info
Kendall Full Syn 0w20 : No info
M1 0w20 AFE : MRV @ -40ºc 9200
QSUD 0w20 : MRV @ -40°C 17,500
PP 0w20 : MRV @ -40c 17,700
Mobil Super Syn 0w20 : MRV @ -40c 26,800
Synpower 0w20 : MRV @ -40°C 30,000
Edge 0w20 : MRV @ -40C 60,000
Edge w/Ti 0w20 : No Info
Kendall Full Syn 0w20 : No info
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