This "EV Thing" isn't going away.....

JeffKeryk said:
Question for you: How often do you drive over 200 miles, each way, in a day?
Let's say you have a 200 mile trip to make. Start with a full tank (easy if you can charge at home).
Drive to you destination. If you are going to a friend/family, you could possibly charge at their house. Or fill up at a Supercharger. If so, catch up on email, texts, phone calls, whatever.
Drive home and plug in. Easy peasy.

Now, if you drive under 100 miles per day, assuming you can charge at home @240V, you have no need to go to a Supercharger. The amount of time saved is 100%. Plus, you save the fuel and time spent going to the gas station. I just drove 27 miles round trip to Costco to get $5 per gallon gas. Left the house at 7:30 AM on a Sunday. Our Model 3 is full just sitting the garage.

Add in other possibilities some have like charging at work, the library, Wall World, hospitals, downtown, and much more.

There is no doubt long trips do not favor Teslas. But that's only part of the story.
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About once month to every 6-8 weeks I drive to the cemetery where my parents are, and then visit our niece and/or do some shopping. That trip is about 225 miles in total, and sometimes with a lot of traffic. Why would I want to run up her electric bill charging my car? I don't need to catch up on text messages, emails, or calls, while I wait charging the car on the road. That can be accomplished at home or hands free. Another thing is I don't like any of the Tesla offerings, or the price tag that goes along with them. Can I afford one? Sure, but there are a lot of other vehicles I actually like and would rather spend my money on. They burn gas.

I now officially have family in Florida and might be moving there myself. In the meantime that will mean a few road trips for us each year to Florida. Last trip I made with my brother we drove straight through, our longest stop was 30 minutes. Others averaged under 10 minutes. I'm not going to make that drive any longer than I have to stopping to charge a car when gas is still available to me.

Lets not forget I live on L.I. which for the most part has a different mind set than CA I think when it comes to the EV. At least the people I associate with. I haven't seen a charging station at any of the places you mentioned near me. On the plus side, there's a good chance I won't be driving when the EV's are totally forced upon me. I'll be sticking to gas as long as I can.

My final thoughts are: you are clearly an EV fan, I'm not and I don't see myself being one any time soon. Too much of a hassle for me, the tech still has a long way to go and I'm not going to participate in testing it out. Bottom line is our opinions are going to differ, which I don't see as a problem. This rant was in answer to your question, and these threads interest me a little.
 
demarpaint said:
About once month to every 6-8 weeks I drive to the cemetery where my parents are, and then visit our niece and/or do some shopping. That trip is about 225 miles in total, and sometimes with a lot of traffic. Why would I want to run up her electric bill charging my car? I don't need to catch up on text messages, emails, or calls, while I wait charging the car on the road. That can be accomplished at home or hands free. Another thing is I don't like any of the Tesla offerings, or the price tag that goes along with them. Can I afford one? Sure, but there are a lot of other vehicles I actually like and would rather spend my money on. They burn gas.

I now officially have family in Florida and might be moving there myself. In the meantime that will mean a few road trips for us each year to Florida. Last trip I made with my brother we drove straight through, our longest stop was 30 minutes. Others averaged under 10 minutes. I'm not going to make that drive any longer than I have to stopping to charge a car when gas is still available to me.

Lets not forget I live on L.I. which for the most part has a different mind set than CA I think when it comes to the EV. At least the people I associate with. I haven't seen a charging station at any of the places you mentioned near me. On the plus side, there's a good chance I won't be driving when the EV's are totally forced upon me. I'll be sticking to gas as long as I can.

My final thoughts are: you are clearly an EV fan, I'm not and I don't see myself being one any time soon. Too much of a hassle for me, the tech still has a long way to go and I'm not going to participate in testing it out. Bottom line is our opinions are going to differ, which I don't see as a problem. This rant was in answer to your question, and these threads interest me a little.
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Good post. A Tesla is clearly not for you for all the reasons you cited. And there are a lotta people that share your use case.
FYI, yes I am a Tesla fan. Along with numerous other vehicles. I think my trusty old Tundra is my favorite. Except I consider it more of a tool than a vehicle.
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demarpaint said:
Lets not forget I live on L.I. which for the most part has a different mind set than CA I think when it comes to the EV. At least the people I associate with. I haven't seen a charging station at any of the places you mentioned near me. On the plus side, there's a good chance I won't be driving when the EV's are totally forced upon me. I'll be sticking to gas as long as I can.
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There are at least 20 (Tesla) Superchargers on Long Island. Check them out here:

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...4.08032711944094&zoom=10&filters=supercharger
 
ecotourist said:
There were prominent newspaper stories a year or so ago about lines of Teslas waiting to charge at Hope BC on weekends. (Hope is just the right distance from Vancouver for charging on your way inland). This past spring when we headed inland there were 3 Teslas charging at 12 stations at a new 250 kW Supercharger (there are now 2 Superchargers at Hope). On the way back, only 2 weeks later, there were 24 charging stations.

A few years ago there weren't many Superchargers in western Canada. Now there are 250 kW Superchargers along the major routes at appropriate spacings.

So there is no need to worry that Tesla will be standing still.

And by the way the Tesla stations are well maintained. We found only one station (at an 8 station Supercharger) out of order and that was on a Sunday. There was also a telephone number prominently displayed to report trouble. I don't suppose it stayed out of order very long.
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It's a safe bet to say it's a little less involved to put up a Supercharger than digging holes for gasoline storage tanks-if you can find a vacant corner these days for a new station.

Many naysayers don't seem "to get" there were not gas stations on every corner at the turn of the 20th century either.
 
Not every manufacturer has a car that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds and 100 in ?? seconds.
Substantial? Dead people aren't substantial.
 
ecotourist said:
There are at least 20 (Tesla) Superchargers on Long Island. Check them out here:

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...4.08032711944094&zoom=10&filters=supercharger
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As I stated earlier there is a different mindset here vs. CA. Regarding the map, several of those areas I'd be afraid of getting car jacked while waiting for it to charge up. One more thing worth noting with the map. I live in western Nassau, where there would be no need for me to go to a super charger, I could charge at home. The L.I. trip I mentioned is heading east on the island where some of those super chargers along my route are half a hour drive apart. Gas stations OTOH are never more than 5-10 minutes apart.
 
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Tesla's autonomous vehicles which are one of the best as far as autonomous goes, are only a level two. And it may take a very long time to really get level 5. But when that does happen and it will happen, then the demand for level 5 electric vehicles will make gas vehicles without level 5 obsolete.

I don't know if level 5 will be achieved in my lifetime. But it is going to happen someday.
 
demarpaint said:
As I stated earlier there is a different mindset here vs. CA. Regarding the map, several of those areas I'd be afraid of getting car jacked while waiting for it to charge up. One more thing worth noting with the map. I live in western Nassau, where there would be no need for me to go to a super charger, I could charge at home. The L.I. trip I mentioned is heading east on the island where some of those super chargers along my route are half a hour drive apart. Gas stations OTOH are never more than 5-10 minutes apart.
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Your local knowledge about sketchy neighbourhoods is a good thing.

Superchargers are probably that close together for the convenience of locals. And I've only used our local Supercharger once and that was just to see how it worked.

Someone traveling through wouldn't need them anywhere near that close together. Even the base Tesla Model 3 has an EPA range of 263 miles (165 miles for casual driving between 20 and 80%).
 
IndyIan said:
Perhaps, right now all the old short range electric vehicles like the Leaf are still $10-15k here... and the 2012-13 Model S's are still all in the 30's and 40's but they have free super charging.
It is still early days for electric cars, after market packs are coming, and degraded battery packs are already disassembled and being reused for stationary deep cycle.
I think the next step for electric vehicles is, to qualify for incentives or carbon credits, they have to incorporate a battery reuse and recycling plan.
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I’m looking forward in seeing what Red Green can make from a used Tesla battery pack.
 
ecotourist said:
I doubt their budget would stretch to cover a used Tesla battery pack. But if it did, I think the story will involve sparks and clouds of smoke.
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On a more serious note, I suspect it will be a long time before there are used Tesla battery packs on the market. If there is only 10 - 12% loss of range after 500,000 km (as has been the case for Taxis in Montreal), it'll be a long time before batteries need replacing. And even then I suspect there will be a strong market for them for back up or off peak power storage, charging with solar cells or what have you.
 
No putting "The genie back in the bottle".
There'll be enough ICE left for everyone currently in this discussion to enjoy for the remainder of their days. But EV is the future and future is now. There are very few people under 50 I speak to not saying an EV will be their next car.
 
PimTac said:
No it’s not. A lot of us pull in, use Apple Pay or a card, fill up and go.
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Agree, the whole idea of comparing filling up a gas tank to recharging a battery is ridiculous.
To even imply recharging a car is almost as fast and convenient as filling a gas tank. I mean come on people let’s get real and admit that it will be an inconvenience for many people even if you don’t care.

So silly I wasn’t going to respond (for once) but you inspired me. 🙃
 
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When I travel for business I use cards.

When I travel personally I use cash, this significantly lengthens the stop especially if I blow the estimate and require change.
 
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