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It's not hard to build credit at college. Lots of credit card recruiters. Just don't get stupid. Probably can get a cell/ landline phone in his own name as well. It is a good idea to get ONE while in school in case you have a few months of unemployment after graduation and need the card for plane tickets or something.

Nick also works at best buy and should be able to get a store credit card there pretty darn easy.
 
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Quite frankly, that's doing nothing more than compounding your problem. Live with and learn from the mistake that you made, work hard to pay it off, and then keep it for 15 years to get some use out of all the money you've already paid out.


Besides the Crown Vic gets half the mpgs so you will be paying twice as much in gas. Gas doesn't seem to be getting cheaper.
 
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What is the point if this thread? Last time a lot of people told you that something like this may happen, you did not listen. Now you want to make another “financially stupid” decision and I don’t know if you are asking for our opinion or advice???

Here is my opinion, take it for what it’s worth.
In my opinion I would not do it, as you will loose money on this trade. Generally, once you get the new car, the best financial decision is just to suck it up and keep it.
 
Nick,

Listen to what people are telling you!

By the time you eat the depreciation and double your outlay for fuel as gas prices climb, you aren't going to save a thing and actually will be much worse off. As others have said pay it off then do what you want. BTW being married to an affordable payment on a fuel efficient car with a warranty is not such a bad place to be. Took me a few years to figure it out though.

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Nick R,

Don't make another mistake man. Work hard and keep this Focus for 20 years. Focus is a tough cookie and will go 200k miles no problem if you do your part.

Another thing you may not be aware of is that it is much cheaper to have 1 new and 1 super used car and list the used car as a DD and the new car is a leisure vehicle. The difference in insurance will pay for the used car in 3 years. It took me 4 years after finishing school to learn that.

We all still make impulse buy. I just bought a Bronco after 6 years of research on a Jeep and mainly Cherokee and Wrangler. I bought it after 15 mins test drive. But I only paid 1700 dollars for it and the good 5.8 liter V8 and auto transmission worth more than the cost of the vehicle. I could bargain more if I wait till the next day and take a longer test drive and check everything else like I wanted to but I could also loose it to another buyer.

Now I am more concern about paying for gas than actually owning it. It takes about 100 dollars to fill up and I have no clue about its fuel economy. To find out, I would need to top off and drive until close to empty twice and calculate. That's 200 dollars and that is after making sure it is properly calibrated. I think I'll just keep it and drive it in bad weather or joy ride around town. I work hard and deserve that. Even at 4 bucks a gallon and fuel economy of 10 miles a gallon, it is still cheaper than going to amusement park to drive bumper car. It is a toy that can save my life in bad weather.
 
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Remember when it was -22'F a week or two back? Believe me you want a house/car/coat/girlfriend that's reliable and warm.
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
What is the point if this thread? Last time a lot of people told you that something like this may happen, you did not listen. Now you want to make another “financially stupid” decision and I don’t know if you are asking for our opinion or advice???

Here is my opinion, take it for what it’s worth.
In my opinion I would not do it, as you will loose money on this trade. Generally, once you get the new car, the best financial decision is just to suck it up and keep it.


Easy on a fellow, would you. He's young so he makes mistake(s). He'll make one or two more before he wise up. These later mistake will be when he shops for a house.
 
I'd pick the Panther in a heartbeat.... but financially everyone is 100% right. You'll get your clock cleaned on the Focus right now. And you just learned a valuable life lesson- buying a new car ONLY makes sense if you are well and truly committed to it for the long haul. We kept our last new car over 15 years and over 250,000 miles and that's just the only way it makes sense to buy new. If I were you, I'd keep my eye on the used market values and find a point where you're not so far upside down (or can break even, though that's unlikely to happen for a LONG time...) and then find a nice used car with a reputation for low cost of ownership (true of Panthers in general, but that particular one looks questionable with all that work at such a low mileage). As you know from my .sig, Cherokees are my current car of choice for unbelievably low total cost of ownership... but you still have to be careful not to get an abused basket case.
 
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I understand what you all are saying. I don't have any idea what I would get for it. I (we) got the thing for I think a little over $16k. I think the only thing that would make sense is if my grandmother wanted to buy it from me at near the same price. And I realized something else, that if the cavalier hadn't died, then what I was paying for repairs, doesn't even come close per month to this payment.

Like I said KrisZ, I didn't really have much say in what happened. If I'd had more time to think about it, I would have gone with a used car. And as far as gas mileage goes, I wouldn't be losing much. Even with 85% highway I don't get better than 28mpg per tank. That's cruise, even if I go down to 65, 70. Doesn't do better than 28, 29 at the most. From what i've heard, most guys get what, 25, 26 in their panthers? That's in a bigger, more comfortable, safer, more powerful car that has cheaper insurance (I would guess).

The bumper is original, they just repainted it. Twice. But the big thing for me is, even I pay 7,500 for the Vic, and I owe I dunno, say $1, 2k on the focus... The monthly payment is STILL lower. The thing is, I'm the one paying my tuition bills. My parents aren't. I don't have to pay for it till after I graduate, but it's going to be unpleasant if I have both a very high car payment, AND Student loan payment.

But I agree, the only way I could do it and not be at a loss is family. My grandmother is looking to trade her old 03 cav for a new focus. Maybe I'll ask her if she'd be interested in buying mine.
 
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And as far as gas mileage goes, I wouldn't be losing much. Even with 85% highway I don't get better than 28mpg per tank. That's cruise, even if I go down to 65, 70. Doesn't do better than 28, 29 at the most. From what i've heard, most guys get what, 25, 26 in their panthers? That's in a bigger, more comfortable, safer, more powerful car that has cheaper insurance (I would guess).


Your Focus is rated 24/34, and the '07 Panther is 15/23. Something's going on if you're short of the EPA estimate by a full 20% in your '11. Either something's wrong with the car itself, or your driving style or environment is such that you'd be well south of the EPA estimate in any car, Panther included. If you're down 20% on your Focus, I wouldn't expect anything better than maybe 10-15% below EPA on another car. You might average 20 MPG in the Panther.
 
Having payment on a Focus and paying tuition loan aren't going to be the end of the world, Rick. Once you pay off that car note, you'll leaving free of car payment for at least 15 years. The money saved is beyond belief. That won't happen if you buy a used CV or Cavalier. Sorry, you are going to throw good money after bad. Additionally, if you get a Cavalier, I can tell you right now you'll trade that sucker in so fast and loose out on more money. And if you get the CV, you may be in a a long and serious road of repair bills.

Believe or not, you have already absorbed much of the depreciation on your Focus. Why would you want to start another pain. Just drive a darn thing and enjoy it. You're acting like the people who dream of getting a prom queen and regret the on-going cost once they get her.

How old are you and what is your major? Do you have a job lined up? Who in the world thought it was alright to get you a new car while in college?
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Even with 85% highway I don't get better than 28mpg per tank. That's cruise, even if I go down to 65, 70. Doesn't do better than 28, 29 at the most. From what i've heard, most guys get what, 25, 26 in their panthers? That's in a bigger, more comfortable, safer, more powerful car that has cheaper insurance (I would guess).


Since you're not doing 100% highway driving I would expect that you would not get 100% of the EPA rated highway mileage. The same ratio would apply to any vehicle you purchase.

Are you thinking of trading in your Focus on the other car (in which case you'll get a lot less than you expect), or selling the Focus outright? If you sell the Focus outright you'll get more, but selling a used car, especially one that still has a lien on the title, can be a painful experience. I wouldn't want to hassle with a seller that doesn't even have the title in hand, and I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't either.

If you're planning to trade it in, be forewarned that trading down very, very rarely works out well. Especially if you still owe more than they're willing to give you for the Focus.

That being said, it sounds like you already have your mind made up, in which case we'll again be seeing a post in a few months lamenting about not listening to those older and wiser.
 
I guess if you can sell your Focus to your Grandma for nearly what you paid for it, then its worthwhile to get out of it.

You seem to have a lead foot though and drive alot of miles so I don't think V8 anything is going to be a good idea. Drive your folks Expedition for a week to get it out of your system... $80 fill ups twice a week will get old fast...
Get a few years old 5spd Yaris hatch, once you learn how to shift, it will be a bit quicker than your Focus and it will feel much quicker as well. Just hold your shifts to 4500 rpm at half throttle, you will see what I mean.
You can worry about comfort and power when you're done school and have a job. Once your student loan payments become due, you might find your self paying them while working at Best Buy for a while... Hopefully not but a cheap efficient car is what you should have now, IMHO.

P.S. Even better is a free or nearly free car, get your Grandma's cavalier unless its undrivable. My first car was a free 81 Olds Omega, my great aunt's car. Drove it for 3 years, and never had break down.
 
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I would keep it. You'll make up the difference in gas and repairs on the Crown Vic. It's an ex cop car that probably wasn't babied.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I understand what you all are saying. I don't have any idea what I would get for it. I (we) got the thing for I think a little over $16k. I think the only thing that would make sense is if my grandmother wanted to buy it from me at near the same price. And I realized something else, that if the cavalier hadn't died, then what I was paying for repairs, doesn't even come close per month to this payment.

Like I said KrisZ, I didn't really have much say in what happened. If I'd had more time to think about it, I would have gone with a used car. And as far as gas mileage goes, I wouldn't be losing much. Even with 85% highway I don't get better than 28mpg per tank. That's cruise, even if I go down to 65, 70. Doesn't do better than 28, 29 at the most. From what i've heard, most guys get what, 25, 26 in their panthers? That's in a bigger, more comfortable, safer, more powerful car that has cheaper insurance (I would guess).

The bumper is original, they just repainted it. Twice. But the big thing for me is, even I pay 7,500 for the Vic, and I owe I dunno, say $1, 2k on the focus... The monthly payment is STILL lower. The thing is, I'm the one paying my tuition bills. My parents aren't. I don't have to pay for it till after I graduate, but it's going to be unpleasant if I have both a very high car payment, AND Student loan payment.

But I agree, the only way I could do it and not be at a loss is family. My grandmother is looking to trade her old 03 cav for a new focus. Maybe I'll ask her if she'd be interested in buying mine.



Nick, perhaps my post was a bit harsh, I did not mean it to be, but you are making the classic mistake a lot of people your age make. That is, get excited about a new car after the old beater breakes up, buy it telling yourself that you need reliable transportation and all, and then after a while realize that the cost is much higher than they anticipated. Then the first bad decision (buying the new car) leads into another bad decision, trading it in for soemthing "cheaper".

I put cheaper in quates on purpose, because it only looks cheaper when you focus on monthly payments only, in reality it is more expansive. I can only see doing something like that in extreme circumstances and it only works (meaning the money lost is minimized) if you trade in that new car and replace it with somethig dirt cheap, like a 2k car maximum.

Your case makes absolutley no sense, from financial point of view.

FORGET THE MONTHLY PAYMENT way of thinking, you will only sink deaper into the dept hole. Do some hard number crunching, not just whishy-washy, half baked estimates, and stick to the results. If you crunch the numbers and they are not favorable, be mentally prepared to keep and pay off the car, but if your mind is already set on getting rid of this car, then all that typing was for nothing.


... and now, I release you! (sorry, I just watched Dinner for Schmucks)
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Good luck.
 
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I did something similar in 2007. I sold an 05 Accord to Carmax for $12K (remaining payment was $8K), bought my Buick for $3500, and used the rest to pay down a credit card bill. So now I have a P.O.S. car that's only sort of reliable and costs a lot for maintenance and gas, and drives pretty poorly as well (ie, handling sucks, ride is squishy, transmission is [censored], etc).

The Accord may have been boring, but it was a much better car as far as I'm concerned. Would I do something similar again? No possible way!
 
I'd rather pay the piper now than wait. In less than 5 years, you'll have the Focus paid for and out of college. You'll be able to dump money into a more important purchase, like a house, retirement, or paying off your student loans, bills, etc. The Focus will last a lot longer, letting you become more stable in other areas. Not to mention the advantage reliable transportation.

I think even asking this 'what if' question is a little ridiculous. Besides, it sounds like you got a great price on the Focus too. I'd be happy paying the payment.
 
Gas mileage in the Vic will depend alot on gears. 2.73s like my Vic will get like what you guessed in that driving environment. A PI will have 3.27 or 3.55 gears depending on option. They will get less.
 
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