There is now a blinking "up" arrow on Volvo

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And other intermittent lights...

Newest codeL P0722, "Speed Sensor." Check Engine Light did NOT go off this time (first scan did it.) I also went to a job interview, and just before I did (parked on a hill, engaged parking brake) the "up" arrow started blinking. It did that ONCE before when we first bought the car, and putting it from "3" to "D" made it go out.

ABS and Vehicle Stability (car on uneven ground) light still happen, along with occasional speedo drop-out.

Also, the button next to the fog lights.. is that "heated mirrors?" on left hand side of wheel.. closest the wheel lon left-hand side is fog lights, I turned them on (looks cool.) But is the one to the left of that "heated mirrors?"

Debating, debating, what to do next. The scary thing is that, after the guy scanned the codes.. It cranked, but didnt start. I waited a few seconds, and it started. That reminds me of when we first got it.. TWICE the car had "no acceleration."

I am tempted to call Sam and ask him how much 1. Replacing the VSS and 2. Fixing the ABS will run me. I just may. Maybe even show him the car! "Free Estimate"... Code P1633 and P0722, the most recent is P0722 (Speed Sensor) and P1633 (ABS unit) was the one that was cleared yesterday. Hmm.

Should I ask how much it will run me? Does anyone know? This FIRST! We do NOT yet have timing belt $$$!!! Or, if I were to attempt ABS myself...
 
Sorry to say but I think you have bought a "wrong un" as they say in London.

Big expensive luxo barges are an excellent way to have a nice comfy car and all the toys for little money, however it seems the previous owner has pretty much sold it on to you after it was beginning to present with expensive problems.

I think you said the dealer you bought it from have no guarantee of any kind or warranty?

Or have I misread that.

With my experience of driving and indeed buying and selling more than a few cars my gut says sell it before it costs you huge amounts of money.

We have all bought cars that proved to be a liability, the thing is to get out before the "bargain" is now actually twice the price actually paid.

The simple reason why these complicated cars are cheap is due to the position you find yourself in currently.

I don't want to sound confrontational, but was the only reason for getting rid of the Subaru the need for more room or did it have other problems that made it no longer viable to keep using?

Don't end up spending thousands on this, it is money you will never recoup. If your spare budget is so depleted it makes paying for a much needed oil change being delayed the this car is simply too costly to run.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
STOP driving it.



Agreed.

I always say that just because you get a low cost used car does not mean that it does not need $3000 in work to make it right. This is your case.

I have a feeling youre on the way to having a volvo lawn ornament.

Does not your friend have an iphone? What other excess do you guys spend money on that is keeping you from being able to afford doing the right maintenance?


If you had done the timing belt like has been recommended from the start... I might be more comfortable. But thi is just getting old now.

You bought a used car. Spend $3k and do everything to make it functionally right. DId you check tires? Id hate for the AWD to be ruined because of mismatches...
 
Judging by the previous posts, it looks to be a cheap/easy fix.

Why don't you give it a try?? You can always post here if you get stuck on something. Who knows, you might find out you really enjoy wrenching on it.
 
Not from where I am sitting, have you owned one of these with these problems?

If so how did you approach/solve them?
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Sorry to say but I think you have bought a "wrong un" as they say in London . . .however it seems the previous owner has pretty much sold it on to you after it was beginning to present with expensive problems.


Yeah, I suspect the dealer did a bubble gum and hair pin job on it, and with all due respect, GT just dived on it without contemplation. The hardware store packing strap around the battery told the tale for me. Now they don't have to go to the mall to see an early Christmas display.

Hopefully, it's only four or five items at this point (T-belt service, ABS module, poss ATX speed sensor, and the sludged engine).

I'm pretty sure that GT has no tools, little money, and is lacking the repair data/experience to DIY much of this. So by my estimate, it's getting pretty close to what they paid ($2,000) to shop repair what's now on the table.

The T-belt is a catastrophic failure item on these, so if that goes before someone gets to it, I suspect the game is over.

Again, that would be my priority #1 on this and everything else -- EVERYTHING ELSE -- must wait. Put some garland around the gauges and sing noels in the meantime.

But as some might say, money fixes most anything.
 
GUYS! Good news:

1. The arrow means "Incorrect Gear Ratio."

2. The manual says to "Top off ATF level" as first step.

3. I went to Walmart, purchased sme Supertech Dexron III. Put in 1/8 a quart with engine off, turned on car, it was off. Added the rest of the 1/4 quart, and it went off!

smile.gif


The shifter linkage even pops the key out a *little* bit better. And the CEL is still on.. P0722: Speed Sensor. Still didnt want to start after the scan, but. A turn key later: It did.

All is not lost.....

Now, I read the post! (P.S.: Just got back from Walmart 2 minutes ago.)

Quote:
I'm pretty sure that GT has no tools, little money, and is lacking the repair data/experience to DIY much of this


That is correct... I have been wondering if I can attempt repair of the ABS module myself, or if even that is too involved (depends on WHERE in the car it is.)

Little money? You betcha.
No tools? = ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
Lacking Data experience = True
.. But having ambition to tackle what I can, unless it is a big big job? = True as well.

I can change spark plugs and do oil very well. I wonder if I can do the ABS unit. And no, I dont know where VSS is.
 
Volvos are not a car you want to own when the bills roll in, they are expensive to fix but solid and long lasting which causes neglect from second, third or fourth owners who just see the sticker price and nice interior.

Hope the OP gets rid soon, I hate to see people throw good money after bad.

Worse thing is if they manage to get the $2000 to fix it properly they could have bought a decent car with warranty in the first place, dealer is certainly as dodgy as they come and has really stitched up the OP and his friend.
 
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
There's this thing . . . I think it's called . . . Google?

http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27973


I know! I looked at Google right after I made the post.

This car is sort of my "darling baby" right now.. I feel compelled to share almost anything that happens with it? This before it gets to Sam's.

I am unsure if I can do a VSS and am debating the ABS myself, but Oil Filter is still a go.

And this time, I topped up the AT *just enough* to make the light go off.. not overfill. It may still be low, but dont go pushing it. Right?
 
I'll preface this by saying that my Volvo experience is all RWD (240,740T,S90) but:

The flashing up arrow means transmission fault. It also usually puts the transmission into "limp" mode (starts in second, no OD) and it will burn the unit up if you continue to drive it. At least thats true on a RWD.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Volvo's (European cars in general) do not suffer fools well. All your well meaning fussing over it and adding junk to it are not helping matters. You driving it around in denial is certainly not.

Do yourself/your friend a huge favor and either beg/borrow the money to get this thing to a Volvo specialist or park it until you can. You need to get it to a specialist and "baseline" it.

If you continue to do otherwise it is going to end up parked anyway (lawn ornament) and you all will be out 2grand...

This kind of stuff is why one should never spend every penny they have on a used car. They usually need $400-500.00 worth of stuff that isn't obvious and that is with me doing the work... that ship has sailed though, so make the best of it.

Park this car before it parks itself.
 
dont really want to say "I told you so" so I wont.

but a 2000$ volvo is like the wheel of fortune.

pay 500 2000 1000 3000, free trip
 
Fix the ABS module. It could be the PNP switch (also not a big deal) but mostly like it's the ABS module, given the other issues you've had. Pretty much every single one is tied to that little black box. It's an easy fix. Spend the $90.00 on the exchange. Until you do this, you won't really be able to diagnose any other issues, since the ABS module is the first in the chain.

While the arrow is transmission-related, most of the time it's the ABS module, unless you've noticed slipping of some sort. These transmissions are extremely reliable, so a problem there is unlikely.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I'll preface this by saying that my Volvo experience is all RWD (240,740T,S90) but:

The flashing up arrow means transmission fault. It also usually puts the transmission into "limp" mode (starts in second, no OD) and it will burn the unit up if you continue to drive it. At least thats true on a RWD.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Volvo's (European cars in general) do not suffer fools well. All your well meaning fussing over it and adding junk to it are not helping matters. You driving it around in denial is certainly not.

Do yourself/your friend a huge favor and either beg/borrow the money to get this thing to a Volvo specialist or park it until you can. You need to get it to a specialist and "baseline" it.

If you continue to do otherwise it is going to end up parked anyway (lawn ornament) and you all will be out 2grand...

This kind of stuff is why one should never spend every penny they have on a used car. They usually need $400-500.00 worth of stuff that isn't obvious and that is with me doing the work... that ship has sailed though, so make the best of it.

Park this car before it parks itself.



I think that arrow only meant OD wasnnt engaged in the 240, 740 DLs
 
Originally Posted By: BrownBox88
I think that arrow only meant OD wasnnt engaged in the 240, 740 DLs


It has been a while and save the 242GT (a stick) and the S90 all my Volvos have been turbos, but "FLASHING" makes a big difference in what it means.
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Flashing = Not good.

My advice remains the same, the OP needs to park the car until it can be fixed.
 
Keep at it, you'll get it. Triage. Follow advice from the threads. My 91 Volvo has a decade and 100k on yours and yours will sort itself out, it's a solid platform.
 
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool

I have been wondering if I can attempt repair of the ABS module myself, or if even that is too involved (depends on WHERE in the car it is.)

Little money? You betcha.
No tools? = ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
Lacking Data experience = True
.. But having ambition to tackle what I can, unless it is a big big job? = True as well.

I can change spark plugs and do oil very well. I wonder if I can do the ABS unit. And no, I dont know where VSS is.


I don't know if this is your year and model, but the site has directions for most. This one looks easy with basic hand tools. A 1/4" drive ratchet and socket set and some torx bits with a 1/4" socket adaptor should do it.

http://www.modulemaster.com/en/Volvo/V70_info.php

I'm guessing the speed sensor is screwed into the side of the trans somwehere. Somebody on here ought to know that one.

Good luck.
 
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool


I am unsure if I can do a VSS and am debating the ABS myself, but Oil Filter is still a go.


Here's all you need to fix the ABS yourself:

http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12651

my suggestion-if you really don't want to/can't afford to send it out, remove the case and open it yourself, then take it to a place with a soldering station--say a small PC repair guy, and have them go over the solder joints. He'll probably charge you $10.00-$20.00. It'll literally take 5 minutes. The work is getting the ABS module opened up. You have to exercise great care in splitting the case, which is why I'd recommend sending it out, but if you want to DIY, this is how to do it.
 
This story is taking a predictable course.

I'd recommend the OP dump this thing on craigslist before it becomes a lawn ornament and he is out $2k with nothing to show for it. Well scrap prices are up, I bet you would at least get $500 for it...

Problem is the OP lacks the funds to own such a car, which wouldn't be so bad if he was a good mechanic and could make up for it with work. But it sounds like he has an apartment, so I'm going to assume he doesn't have a garage which you kind of need to really work on a car. These cars are not so bad to own if you just figure them out and wrench on them yourself, but right now it sounds like it needs all of $3k worth of work at a shop, probably more when they get into it.
 
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