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The Texting Obsession.
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"The Boy Who Couldn't Stop Washing" has now been updated to The Boy Who Couldn't Stop Texting. The new ACD: Addictive Compulsive Disorder.
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
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BANNER NEWS: The World Is Changing. People Are Behaving Differently. Those Used To The "Old Ways" Disapprove And Begin To Grumble On Internet Forums Without Grasping Irony.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
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BANNER NEWS: The World Is Changing. People Are Behaving Differently. Those Used To The "Old Ways" Disapprove And Begin To Grumble On Internet Forums Without Grasping Irony.
There is no irony to be seen. Perhaps a more complete understanding of the OP's topic SUBJECT is in order. It's about OBSESSIVE TEXTING. It has nothing to do with utilizing the internet or this forum. In fact, it has nothing do do with MODERATE use of a device to text. Get a clue man.
You seem to just be another individual that finds nothing unusual or abhorrent in obsessive texting. Fine, you are entitled to that opinion (odd as it may be when one need only take a casual observance of the society about them).
And yes....all of us that don't like this obsessive gizmo thing are all a bunch of old folks ready for the assisted living facility. How did you know??
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
Why isn't this banner news?
BANNER NEWS: The World Is Changing. People Are Behaving Differently. Those Used To The "Old Ways" Disapprove And Begin To Grumble On Internet Forums Without Grasping Irony.
There is no irony to be seen. Perhaps a more complete understanding of the OP's topic SUBJECT is in order. It's about OBSESSIVE TEXTING. It has nothing to do with utilizing the internet or this forum. In fact, it has nothing do do with MODERATE use of a device to text. Get a clue man.
You seem to just be another individual that finds nothing unusual or abhorrent in obsessive texting. Fine, you are entitled to that opinion (odd as it may be when one need only take a casual observance of the society about them).
And yes....all of us that don't like this obsessive gizmo thing are all a bunch of old folks ready for the assisted living facility. How did you know??
Right, andrewg.
Read this short study results:
"One study says 11-percent of the teen population will text 200-times-a-day"
http://www.ktis.org/2012/08/texting-teens/
THAT is an obsession.
Read this short study results:
"One study says 11-percent of the teen population will text 200-times-a-day"
http://www.ktis.org/2012/08/texting-teens/
THAT is an obsession.
My dumb phone is so difficult to text, therefore I average about 1-2 text a month. Usually I text very few words each time, such as "Okay" or "Yes" or "No" or "Thanks" or "I will".
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I'm confused with your post. So...at work you have meetings where you all just sit there waiting to speak, and as you wait, you text and fiddle with your device until it is your turn? I don't get that. Aren't you expected to focus on what the person speaking is saying? Wouldn't it be considered rather rude or at least inappropriate to be texting and e-mailing while somebody is addressing the group? You say you can have 10 people texting....WITHOUT disturbing the group? So NOT listening or giving attention to whom ever is speaking AND texting WHILE they speak, is not disturbing it? Wow. That really paints a bizarre picture in my mind of what your office 'meetings' must be like. Strange. Where I work we have meetings about once a month or so. The manager addresses the group about various topics. In polite and correct business form, we listen and give eye contact. One thing that truly upsets me (and others) is the younger (under 30) crowd in the room. They sit there trying to hide while they text and play games on their gizmos while the manager speaks. Completely inappropriate and a lack of respect for authority (big surprise when you are talking about the younger generation).
Anyway....I guess I am a relic of the past.
That's precisely how it works in fast pace engineering meeting in my industry (not just one company).
Most of the time there is an agenda of what needs to be fixed for a product to get into the next design / engineering / manufacturing phase, and the meeting's host will have up 10-30 items that he/she wants to discuss between people of interest, basically asking them why they aren't done, what problems are still stuck and who can help. So when your issue is not in discussion, you sit there and wait for 30-40 mins just to answer the host and a couple other people questions.
Usually, the higher priority issues are addressed first, and when done, people can leave the meeting and go back to do real work instead of just sit there. If your issue is low priority, you wait 30 mins for your turn. So during this time you can email, online chat, or text on your phone for work purposes (i.e. hold your own meeting on the issue you need to be there for with the people waiting, and when you are all in agreement, one guy stay behind to report and the rest just leave and go back to do real work, or work with other people outside of the meeting while waiting).
The old fashion way to do it is walk around and talk to others in the meeting in wisper, but if 1/2 the people in the meeting are doing that, it would be annoying. Texting and email will not have this problem.
In a nut shell, many large meetings are waste of time so if you can "work" without disturbing others (don't talk loud), why not?
I'm confused with your post. So...at work you have meetings where you all just sit there waiting to speak, and as you wait, you text and fiddle with your device until it is your turn? I don't get that. Aren't you expected to focus on what the person speaking is saying? Wouldn't it be considered rather rude or at least inappropriate to be texting and e-mailing while somebody is addressing the group? You say you can have 10 people texting....WITHOUT disturbing the group? So NOT listening or giving attention to whom ever is speaking AND texting WHILE they speak, is not disturbing it? Wow. That really paints a bizarre picture in my mind of what your office 'meetings' must be like. Strange. Where I work we have meetings about once a month or so. The manager addresses the group about various topics. In polite and correct business form, we listen and give eye contact. One thing that truly upsets me (and others) is the younger (under 30) crowd in the room. They sit there trying to hide while they text and play games on their gizmos while the manager speaks. Completely inappropriate and a lack of respect for authority (big surprise when you are talking about the younger generation).
Anyway....I guess I am a relic of the past.
That's precisely how it works in fast pace engineering meeting in my industry (not just one company).
Most of the time there is an agenda of what needs to be fixed for a product to get into the next design / engineering / manufacturing phase, and the meeting's host will have up 10-30 items that he/she wants to discuss between people of interest, basically asking them why they aren't done, what problems are still stuck and who can help. So when your issue is not in discussion, you sit there and wait for 30-40 mins just to answer the host and a couple other people questions.
Usually, the higher priority issues are addressed first, and when done, people can leave the meeting and go back to do real work instead of just sit there. If your issue is low priority, you wait 30 mins for your turn. So during this time you can email, online chat, or text on your phone for work purposes (i.e. hold your own meeting on the issue you need to be there for with the people waiting, and when you are all in agreement, one guy stay behind to report and the rest just leave and go back to do real work, or work with other people outside of the meeting while waiting).
The old fashion way to do it is walk around and talk to others in the meeting in wisper, but if 1/2 the people in the meeting are doing that, it would be annoying. Texting and email will not have this problem.
In a nut shell, many large meetings are waste of time so if you can "work" without disturbing others (don't talk loud), why not?
It's not just teens and young people that text and drive....I've seen plenty of older people do it. In fact, in my area it's the older people I see being careless.
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
I'm confused with your post. So...at work you have meetings where you all just sit there waiting to speak, and as you wait, you text and fiddle with your device until it is your turn? I don't get that. Aren't you expected to focus on what the person speaking is saying? Wouldn't it be considered rather rude or at least inappropriate to be texting and e-mailing while somebody is addressing the group? You say you can have 10 people texting....WITHOUT disturbing the group? So NOT listening or giving attention to whom ever is speaking AND texting WHILE they speak, is not disturbing it? Wow. That really paints a bizarre picture in my mind of what your office 'meetings' must be like. Strange. Where I work we have meetings about once a month or so. The manager addresses the group about various topics. In polite and correct business form, we listen and give eye contact. One thing that truly upsets me (and others) is the younger (under 30) crowd in the room. They sit there trying to hide while they text and play games on their gizmos while the manager speaks. Completely inappropriate and a lack of respect for authority (big surprise when you are talking about the younger generation).
Anyway....I guess I am a relic of the past.
That's precisely how it works in fast pace engineering meeting in my industry (not just one company).
Most of the time there is an agenda of what needs to be fixed for a product to get into the next design / engineering / manufacturing phase, and the meeting's host will have up 10-30 items that he/she wants to discuss between people of interest, basically asking them why they aren't done, what problems are still stuck and who can help. So when your issue is not in discussion, you sit there and wait for 30-40 mins just to answer the host and a couple other people questions.
Usually, the higher priority issues are addressed first, and when done, people can leave the meeting and go back to do real work instead of just sit there. If your issue is low priority, you wait 30 mins for your turn. So during this time you can email, online chat, or text on your phone for work purposes (i.e. hold your own meeting on the issue you need to be there for with the people waiting, and when you are all in agreement, one guy stay behind to report and the rest just leave and go back to do real work, or work with other people outside of the meeting while waiting).
The old fashion way to do it is walk around and talk to others in the meeting in wisper, but if 1/2 the people in the meeting are doing that, it would be annoying. Texting and email will not have this problem.
In a nut shell, many large meetings are waste of time so if you can "work" without disturbing others (don't talk loud), why not?
Ok...I get it now. Still though, saying that doing the meetings another way is 'old fashioned' kind of loses it's point of modern efficiency when so many individuals aren't needed in the meeting and are required to sit there (and/or text if they choose). Why not have smaller, individual meetings that the information being shared is pertinent to just THOSE individuals? Doesn't sound like the 'old' way is any less annoying than the 'new' way.
Just my opinion.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
I'm confused with your post. So...at work you have meetings where you all just sit there waiting to speak, and as you wait, you text and fiddle with your device until it is your turn? I don't get that. Aren't you expected to focus on what the person speaking is saying? Wouldn't it be considered rather rude or at least inappropriate to be texting and e-mailing while somebody is addressing the group? You say you can have 10 people texting....WITHOUT disturbing the group? So NOT listening or giving attention to whom ever is speaking AND texting WHILE they speak, is not disturbing it? Wow. That really paints a bizarre picture in my mind of what your office 'meetings' must be like. Strange. Where I work we have meetings about once a month or so. The manager addresses the group about various topics. In polite and correct business form, we listen and give eye contact. One thing that truly upsets me (and others) is the younger (under 30) crowd in the room. They sit there trying to hide while they text and play games on their gizmos while the manager speaks. Completely inappropriate and a lack of respect for authority (big surprise when you are talking about the younger generation).
Anyway....I guess I am a relic of the past.
That's precisely how it works in fast pace engineering meeting in my industry (not just one company).
Most of the time there is an agenda of what needs to be fixed for a product to get into the next design / engineering / manufacturing phase, and the meeting's host will have up 10-30 items that he/she wants to discuss between people of interest, basically asking them why they aren't done, what problems are still stuck and who can help. So when your issue is not in discussion, you sit there and wait for 30-40 mins just to answer the host and a couple other people questions.
Usually, the higher priority issues are addressed first, and when done, people can leave the meeting and go back to do real work instead of just sit there. If your issue is low priority, you wait 30 mins for your turn. So during this time you can email, online chat, or text on your phone for work purposes (i.e. hold your own meeting on the issue you need to be there for with the people waiting, and when you are all in agreement, one guy stay behind to report and the rest just leave and go back to do real work, or work with other people outside of the meeting while waiting).
The old fashion way to do it is walk around and talk to others in the meeting in wisper, but if 1/2 the people in the meeting are doing that, it would be annoying. Texting and email will not have this problem.
In a nut shell, many large meetings are waste of time so if you can "work" without disturbing others (don't talk loud), why not?
Ok...I get it now. Still though, saying that doing the meetings another way is 'old fashioned' kind of loses it's point of modern efficiency when so many individuals aren't needed in the meeting and are required to sit there (and/or text if they choose). Why not have smaller, individual meetings that the information being shared is pertinent to just THOSE individuals? Doesn't sound like the 'old' way is any less annoying than the 'new' way.
Just my opinion.
I'm 28 and work with a lot of individuals that are younger than me. It's true that they're glued to their phones, almost to an obnoxious extent. I have to say, I've never really seen two people text each other while in the same room or other similar circumstances, unless its a brief text to say something they don't want everyone to hear. I think a lot of people assume that when they see a younger person glued to their phone, that they're texting, which is far from the case. I think that the majority of the time they are texting, but with twitter, facebook, instagram, among many other things, you never know what they might be doing.
Anyways, I personally don't see the big deal with texting. I find texting to be very convenient and very valuable, though there is a time and a place. For example, I recently texted my manager because I know that they are probably busy right now, and I elected to text them so that they could provide me with the information I requested at their earliest convenience. Texting and driving I consider to be a huge problem, and there are certain social events where you shouldn't be playing with your phone.
Anyways, I personally don't see the big deal with texting. I find texting to be very convenient and very valuable, though there is a time and a place. For example, I recently texted my manager because I know that they are probably busy right now, and I elected to text them so that they could provide me with the information I requested at their earliest convenience. Texting and driving I consider to be a huge problem, and there are certain social events where you shouldn't be playing with your phone.
I think that using the texting is just a generic term for someone being on their stupid phone instead of talking to the people they are with or paying attention to what they are suppose to be doing. I see people on the road trying to use their phone and weaving all over the place only to realize that they are about to miss their exit and make a hard right from the far left lane. Also when they are at a get together they are sitting there using their phone ignoring everybody else and just generally being rude. Sometimes you have to almost yell at them to get their attention to ask a question or get a answer.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Ok...I get it now. Still though, saying that doing the meetings another way is 'old fashioned' kind of loses it's point of modern efficiency when so many individuals aren't needed in the meeting and are required to sit there (and/or text if they choose). Why not have smaller, individual meetings that the information being shared is pertinent to just THOSE individuals? Doesn't sound like the 'old' way is any less annoying than the 'new' way.
Just my opinion.
I would agree with you, meeting should be kept small and precise.
The problem is to run small meetings like that, you'll need a lot of management that can concentrate these stuff so they can hold small meeting. By the time it reaches 3 layers up, the severity of issues get diluted. Today we have a lot of very flat management and the usual 7-10 direct report per manager, 3-4 manager per director, will translate into 30 people per director. So if a director wants to know everything, or if 2-3 director wants to discuss a bunch of issues, we'll have the mess of 30 people meeting, or 2/3 of the people skipping meetings on a regular basis.
Ok...I get it now. Still though, saying that doing the meetings another way is 'old fashioned' kind of loses it's point of modern efficiency when so many individuals aren't needed in the meeting and are required to sit there (and/or text if they choose). Why not have smaller, individual meetings that the information being shared is pertinent to just THOSE individuals? Doesn't sound like the 'old' way is any less annoying than the 'new' way.
Just my opinion.
I would agree with you, meeting should be kept small and precise.
The problem is to run small meetings like that, you'll need a lot of management that can concentrate these stuff so they can hold small meeting. By the time it reaches 3 layers up, the severity of issues get diluted. Today we have a lot of very flat management and the usual 7-10 direct report per manager, 3-4 manager per director, will translate into 30 people per director. So if a director wants to know everything, or if 2-3 director wants to discuss a bunch of issues, we'll have the mess of 30 people meeting, or 2/3 of the people skipping meetings on a regular basis.
I was quite impressed yesterday with a 19 year old girl in next lane to drive a manual transmission vehicle really well in stop and go traffic(attentively) and type on a smartphone and drive perfectly.
She actually put the phone down when we started going.
I do not have such talents to drive well and dial. Thankfully my new vehicle (2007 MDX) has a bluetooth built in for directory and talking all working with a single button and voice commands.
She actually put the phone down when we started going.
I do not have such talents to drive well and dial. Thankfully my new vehicle (2007 MDX) has a bluetooth built in for directory and talking all working with a single button and voice commands.
My boss is a Crackberry addict who I believe is also part-shark -- I swear she thinks that if she stops moving, she'll die.
She's so bad that I remember being in a meeting in her office, sitting right next to her PC with the mail program up and running and intead of firing off an e-mail to someone, she turned away from her PC to pick up her Crackberry to use the e-mail link to her work e-mail to send her message.
She's also one of those people who has meetings within meetings, which is fine provided you don't impede the progress of the first meeting. Sometimes a meeting will take a detour and "your" topic comes up 10 minutes earlier than you planned because you're tied in with another project that's currently being discussed. Now your drive for efficiency has impacted everyone else because you weren't paying attention and the leader has to bring you up to speed.
She's so bad that I remember being in a meeting in her office, sitting right next to her PC with the mail program up and running and intead of firing off an e-mail to someone, she turned away from her PC to pick up her Crackberry to use the e-mail link to her work e-mail to send her message.
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