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Originally Posted By: lexus114
wait...." A buddy of mine traded his '07 E class Mercedes for a Genesis sedan" what?? i mean i like hyundai/kia and all but......??

I'd rather have a Mazda RX-8 than any German car under $50k.

No car will appeal to everyone. Sometimes, for some people, the more mainstream companies just get something right in a way that the hoity-toity ones don't.
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2011 Sonata Limited Turbo to a V6 Accord EX-L 5Spd auto
190/162 vs 274/269

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Really? V6 Accord has 190HP/162Torque?? I thought those were 4-cyl numbers.

- Vikas
 
I used a comparative tool, I thought I had checked V6, but I obviously I did not. 4cyl TGDI Sonata still has mote HP/torque, but difference is much smaller. That also means that price difference between a 4 cyl TGDI Sonata and V6 i smuch bigger than I originally posted.
 
Originally Posted By: jim302

There's no reason to look at what Hyundai was making 20 years ago and use that information to judge this car. They've come a long way and have proven themselves to be capable of making great cars.


Why not?

Take the Excel. For it's time, it was actually quite a good looking car. Pininfarina design if I'm not mistaken.

And the powertrain? I honestly don't think the Mitsubishi 4G15 was any more reliable when it was built by Mitsubishi.

That Solex carb was problematic. But it seemed to be equally problematic in the Mitsubishis.
 
Originally Posted By: R2d2
I agree Hyundai is looking good. However Mazda by FAR makes the ugliest Japanese cars on the market, and has for many years. The Acura front ends on the MDX, RDX, TL are not appealing to me, but are light years better then the dopey smiley/clown face grills on all the current Mazda models.


I think Mitsubishi makes the ugliest vehicles...
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Why not?

Take the Excel. For it's time, it was actually quite a good looking car. Pininfarina design if I'm not mistaken.

And the powertrain? I honestly don't think the Mitsubishi 4G15 was any more reliable when it was built by Mitsubishi.

That Solex carb was problematic. But it seemed to be equally problematic in the Mitsubishis.


I had an '87 Excel. While grossly underpowered, I never had a problem with the car at all until about 104K when the exhaust manifold cracked on it.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: R2d2
I agree Hyundai is looking good. However Mazda by FAR makes the ugliest Japanese cars on the market, and has for many years. The Acura front ends on the MDX, RDX, TL are not appealing to me, but are light years better then the dopey smiley/clown face grills on all the current Mazda models.


I think Mitsubishi makes the ugliest vehicles...

their evos are nice
 
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
I used a comparative tool, I thought I had checked V6, but I obviously I did not. 4cyl TGDI Sonata still has mote HP/torque, but difference is much smaller. That also means that price difference between a 4 cyl TGDI Sonata and V6 i smuch bigger than I originally posted.

i spent a lot of time researching and looking around the typical $30k price range for a sedan with decent power. i narrowed it down to a v6 accord, v6 camry, malibu, sonata turbo, and maxima. the sonata turbo came out with the most loaded features (including nav) with the most performance. for $30k (even though i got charged a lame fee of $1500 the dealer snuck in), the car is worth more than the money you pay for. my car feels like its in the $40k price range. hyundai did well with this car...really well.
 
Kia Hyndai Ok is you're going to die with it. Try trading one of those in with 30K on it, and see what you would get compared to your comparitavely equipped Honda/Toyota. And I'm not talking KBB- I mean real life trade in/sale.
I'm not saying their reputation for quality is not deserved ( I rented a Hyundai Sonata in SF last year with 46K RENTAL miles on it). Ran like a top. Problem is their reputation for quality has not caught up with them-yet

Steve
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
Kia Hyndai Ok is you're going to die with it. Try trading one of those in with 30K on it, and see what you would get compared to your comparitavely equipped Honda/Toyota. And I'm not talking KBB- I mean real life trade in/sale.
I'm not saying their reputation for quality is not deserved ( I rented a Hyundai Sonata in SF last year with 46K RENTAL miles on it). Ran like a top. Problem is their reputation for quality has not caught up with them-yet

Steve


Depends on how you look at it. If the Hyundai is depreciated so bad over a comparable toy or Honda, consider how much you already saved in the front half and just move that to the rear. In other words, if you paid $25K for that Toy/Honda, and $20K for that Hyundai, and 5 years later you sell that Toy/Honda for $15K but only get $10K for the Hyundai, You were already $5K ahead anyway, so basically, it evens out.
 
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: steve20
Kia Hyndai Ok is you're going to die with it. Try trading one of those in with 30K on it, and see what you would get compared to your comparitavely equipped Honda/Toyota. And I'm not talking KBB- I mean real life trade in/sale.
I'm not saying their reputation for quality is not deserved ( I rented a Hyundai Sonata in SF last year with 46K RENTAL miles on it). Ran like a top. Problem is their reputation for quality has not caught up with them-yet

Steve


Depends on how you look at it. If the Hyundai is depreciated so bad over a comparable toy or Honda, consider how much you already saved in the front half and just move that to the rear. In other words, if you paid $25K for that Toy/Honda, and $20K for that Hyundai, and 5 years later you sell that Toy/Honda for $15K but only get $10K for the Hyundai, You were already $5K ahead anyway, so basically, it evens out.


Not really. The price difference between a new Honda and a new Hyundai isn't that much anymore. While the price of new Hyundais is climbing every year, their resale value isn't keeping pace.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: steve20
Kia Hyndai Ok is you're going to die with it. Try trading one of those in with 30K on it, and see what you would get compared to your comparitavely equipped Honda/Toyota. And I'm not talking KBB- I mean real life trade in/sale.
I'm not saying their reputation for quality is not deserved ( I rented a Hyundai Sonata in SF last year with 46K RENTAL miles on it). Ran like a top. Problem is their reputation for quality has not caught up with them-yet

Steve


Depends on how you look at it. If the Hyundai is depreciated so bad over a comparable toy or Honda, consider how much you already saved in the front half and just move that to the rear. In other words, if you paid $25K for that Toy/Honda, and $20K for that Hyundai, and 5 years later you sell that Toy/Honda for $15K but only get $10K for the Hyundai, You were already $5K ahead anyway, so basically, it evens out.


Not really. The price difference between a new Honda and a new Hyundai isn't that much anymore. While the price of new Hyundais is climbing every year, their resale value isn't keeping pace.



Not true at all. Read up.
Sonata Residual Value
 
Keep telling yourself that baloney!

Around these parts used Hyundais and Kias are cheaper than you think. Definitely don't hold their value like Honda/Toyota.

Real street pricing, not what some book says.
 
The Koreans are offering some pretty pursuasive cars these days, and they are much cheaper than either Hondas or Toyotas at the deeply discounted prices they typically command, at least around here.
If I were buying a new car today, it would likely be either a Honda Accord 4 cyl stick or a Subaru Legacy with the same combo.
The Sonata is pretty nice looking, and does offer good performance.
Still, either the Honda or the Subie would drive pretty much like new after ten years use.
Our Hondas always have.
I don't know that you could say that about any Korean car.
 
I looked at the 2011 Sonata and Elantra last weekend and found them to be above average in terms of content, unique styling and fuel economy. However, the styling seemed a bit overdone (both the exterior and interior) and it will not age well since each generation is so radically different. These new radically different and flashy designs from Hyundai lack the mature, refined appearance from its Japanese and German competitors. Also, both the Sonata and Elantra were lacking in refinement compared to the dated Honda and Toyota offerings. Both cars had very unrefined suspension tuning and excessive road noise, even compared to the worst Hondas.
 
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