The gas F150 vs Lightning

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Mach-E had to go to the shop and we got a gas F150 as a loaner.

I cannot begin to tell you the ways in which I hate this truck compared to the Lightning. You would think that would not be the case given that they're bascially the same platform, but let me tell you.

First of all the 10 speed transmission. It's a freaking party under the cab floor and I wasn't invited. It does ok if you give it all the beans, but anything part throttle is wild. All the shifts and then some. And the clunky downshifts when you're coming up to a stop.

The 2.7 EB idles too rough for my taste, My prior 5.4 3V idled smooth. This 2.7, I can't seem to get a smooth idle out of it, and I did try to give it an italian tuneup. It's also way too peaky. You give it some gas off the line and the traffic's moving away from you, then you give it more gas and all a sudden you're into the boost and you're coming up on the bumper of the car in front of you. I actually changed the dash display to add a boost gauge to the top row. It's not really that fast acting though. I'm pretty sure I would want the 5.0 if I had to drive one of these.

The ride without the independent rear suspension of the Lightning is crap. The Lightning rides amazing, better than any half ton truck I've ever driven. If I had to get a gasser it would be the Ram, it rides a lot nicer.

The interior is pretty much the same as the Lightning but if you get an XL that has the manually adjustable seat, it's not height adustable, and the non-adjustable height is basically the same as taking the power adjustable seat in my XLT Lightning and putting it all the way to the top. What the hell, Ford? If you're going to give me a fixed height seat at least don't put it so **** high that a truck that has cavernous legroom in my truck, is now up against the steering wheel in this truck.

Also this is more of a trim level gripe, this truck being an XL does not have running boards standard. My wife and kid are having a hard time climbing in and out of it. If I owned this truck I would probably fix this with the cheapest aftermarket deal that I could get.

Likes:

1) The column shifter. Every gas truck should have column shifter with no exceptions. If I was keeping my Lightning off lease, I'd probably retrofit one of these, I understand from the Lightning forum that it can be done.

2). The mileage is not terrible, I'd still like a little better, but it's getting 18.5 in mixed city/highway and it's a 5500 pound truck that is not aerodynamic and this is a 4x4 truck to boot. It's 4MPG better than I was getting in my Navigator on the same duty cycle.

Verdict: I had an option to get an Explorer as a loaner, I just thought this one would be better on headroom and legroom. Unfortunately it is not. I am probably going to take this truck back and get the Explorer on the next day I'm not working from home. Maybe I will like it better.

If I wanted a gas truck, it would be a Ram 1500, if for no other reason than the transmission. They all have their issues, but I could not live with this 10 speed.

Any gas truck would be a short term fix though. I really want electric long term. I may be willing to go gas for a little bit because we want to buy a travel trailer and need to tow it, and the Silverado EV is way expensive. But eventually electrics are going to improve and that's what it's going to be.
 
Automatics today are so hit/miss. I think I read more complaints about transmissions these days than anything.

Hope Ford hits a home run with their new $30k'ish EV pickup.
 
How is the Mach E? Anything major wrong with it?
I think it's chunked a motor, not sure yet. It was making terrible noises and then it wouldn't move anymore. I had it towed by roadside assistance on Friday. Thankfully my wife got to where she was going and wasn't inconvenienced.

It's had a small whine since new. We took it back previously and told them it shouldn't make these noises, and that my Lightning was dead silent. They said they couldn't find an issue. Well, we found an issue.
 
Automatics today are so hit/miss. I think I read more complaints about transmissions these days than anything.

Hope Ford hits a home run with their new $30k'ish EV pickup.
Absolutely... my daughter is a Yota fan. Previously had a top notch Rav 4, now a TRD 4Runner. Both are sluggish for what they are and the shift points in both ridiculously notchy. Am wondering what is Toyota thinking over the yrs. People can bash CVTs all they want, but I still honestly say the one in my Nissan has been the smoothest/most predictable of any vehicle I have owned/driven in 4 decades now.
 
I've heard so many rave about that great 10 speed transmission... Not!
I thought the 2.7 EB was supposed to be a good engine?
I hear the 2.7 EB is reliable so that part is good, but the rough idle has my scratching my head. Unless I was towing a heavy trailer to the high Rockies where having boost would be useful, I'd want the 5.0 for it's linear and predictable power delivery.
 
Next time kindly ask for an F-250 with the 6 speed. None of those compromises exist.

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I won't discount the experience of the OP, but I know a few people with the 2.7EB and they rave about them and have nothing but praise.
I suspect he drove one that just isn't the best example of what the majority of those trucks are.

I will agree that 10 speeds is too many; even 8 speeds IMO. Seems that often the vehicles (not just an F150, but any brand) just can't seem to decide which gear to be in. My 2016 RX350 is constantly shifting, and skip-shifting, and then changing its mind yet again. That complaint is not unique to a Ford. My experience is that 6 speeds is "just right"; enough to be very useful, but not too many so as to annoy. (Goldilocks reference).
 
I won't discount the experience of the OP, but I know a few people with the 2.7EB and they rave about them and have nothing but praise.
I suspect he drove one that just isn't the best example of what the majority of those trucks are.

I will agree that 10 speeds is too many; even 8 speeds IMO. Seems that often the vehicles (not just an F150, but any brand) just can't seem to decide which gear to be in. My 2016 RX350 is constantly shifting, and skip-shifting, and then changing its mind yet again. That complaint is not unique to a Ford. My experience is that 6 speeds is "just right"; enough to be very useful, but not too many so as to annoy. (Goldilocks reference).
6 speeds do seem to be the sweet spot.
 
Absolutely... my daughter is a Yota fan. Previously had a top notch Rav 4, now a TRD 4Runner. Both are sluggish for what they are and the shift points in both ridiculously notchy. Am wondering what is Toyota thinking over the yrs. People can bash CVTs all they want, but I still honestly say the one in my Nissan has been the smoothest/most predictable of any vehicle I have owned/driven in 4 decades now.
I believe it. (y) I don't mind a good CVT. At least its smooth. 😁
 
Yep no doubt, found that out early on with mountain driving as it holds a peak power range as long as needed. Unlike the jerky up/down shifts autos tend to have in that type of driving.
With the Colorado 8 speed, it will downshift so much I now keep it in manual mode and lock out 7th and 8th unless on highway. It's annoying.

Honestly it's pathetic no one has been able to make ATs as good as the Toyota/Mazda 6 speed ATs or some of the ATS in the RAM and Lexus IS series. And they're not cheap when they break.

Guy just lost his AT on a 22 Colorado. $8k.
 
Automatic transmissions are one of the main reasons I tried an EV in the first place. Was a die-hard manual driver. I owned a couple ZF 8-speeds and those are still really bad, despite being the “best”.

Once I went direct-drive and electric motors, with massive, instant torque, it was obvious to me I’d never buy an automatic transmission again. EV or manual only.
 
I was just going to mention the ZF 8 speed. The one in my wife's Atlas has been pretty good, except for the whine. Its lasted for 120k miles under extreme circumstances. I also like the ones in the Ram trucks (when I test drove and rented them).

Don't forget the ride of the Lightening comes at a premium. The EV is heavier than the gas truck. And with IRS. So yeah, its probably plush. But the gas truck is likely cheaper to build, cheaper to maintain, and might handle abuse better. Better utility for the masses that use it as a work truck.
 
With the Colorado 8 speed, it will downshift so much I now keep it in manual mode and lock out 7th and 8th unless on highway. It's annoying.

Honestly it's pathetic no one has been able to make ATs as good as the Toyota/Mazda 6 speed ATs or some of the ATS in the RAM and Lexus IS series. And they're not cheap when they break.

Guy just lost his AT on a 22 Colorado. $8k.
Guess I’d like the AT in our Lexus IS - only they blocked the ATF fill port with the CAT
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I won't discount the experience of the OP, but I know a few people with the 2.7EB and they rave about them and have nothing but praise.
I suspect he drove one that just isn't the best example of what the majority of those trucks are.

I will agree that 10 speeds is too many; even 8 speeds IMO. Seems that often the vehicles (not just an F150, but any brand) just can't seem to decide which gear to be in. My 2016 RX350 is constantly shifting, and skip-shifting, and then changing its mind yet again. That complaint is not unique to a Ford. My experience is that 6 speeds is "just right"; enough to be very useful, but not too many so as to annoy. (Goldilocks reference).
Transmission programming seems to be key. I love the 8-speed ZF in my Grand Cherokee, paired with the 5.7L V8 it is very smooth. The 6-speed auto in my BMW was the worst thing about the car. It was just lazy and had strange shift points.
 
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