Hmm? I have ten rims and 10 tires.
the case against tyre rotation
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Isn't the point of rotation to move them so that wear is evenly applied. Not to wait for example till half the life is worn away to move them. Also the recommendation is usually around 5k between rotations. If you follow that schedule it is unlikely to end up with 2 pairs of tires with vastly different wear.
What a croc of garbage. Rotation is needed especially on FWD where theres 0 camber in the front and negative camber in the rear.
You can counter steer oversteer, wheres as with understeer just grab a door handle and squeeze !
Tire rotation makes 1000% sense, and anyone with knowledge in alignments and handling characteristics knows this.
You can counter steer oversteer, wheres as with understeer just grab a door handle and squeeze !
Tire rotation makes 1000% sense, and anyone with knowledge in alignments and handling characteristics knows this.
Originally Posted By: purelux
Isn't the point of rotation to move them so that wear is evenly applied. Not to wait for example till half the life is worn away to move them. Also the recommendation is usually around 5k between rotations. If you follow that schedule it is unlikely to end up with 2 pairs of tires with vastly different wear.
I'd say BMW's goal is exactly opposite. Not rotating the tires will make it wear unevenly, but if you let it be it will have even contact surface to the road due to uneven wear at straight line driving and negative camber of the wheels for cornering.
Great for duration of the tire? No, great for handling? Probably. Worth the difference? Probably not.
Isn't the point of rotation to move them so that wear is evenly applied. Not to wait for example till half the life is worn away to move them. Also the recommendation is usually around 5k between rotations. If you follow that schedule it is unlikely to end up with 2 pairs of tires with vastly different wear.
I'd say BMW's goal is exactly opposite. Not rotating the tires will make it wear unevenly, but if you let it be it will have even contact surface to the road due to uneven wear at straight line driving and negative camber of the wheels for cornering.
Great for duration of the tire? No, great for handling? Probably. Worth the difference? Probably not.
Originally Posted By: StrateLOSS
What a croc of garbage. Rotation is needed especially on FWD where theres 0 camber in the front and negative camber in the rear.
You can counter steer oversteer, wheres as with understeer just grab a door handle and squeeze !
Tire rotation makes 1000% sense, and anyone with knowledge in alignments and handling characteristics knows this.
Yeah. I guess all those German engineers, my own observations, and a continent full of drivers who actually drive at high speeds must all be wrong...
My contributions to this thread are concerning *a* case against tire rotation for the discussion, not *the* case why everyone on the planet should stop rotating. My comments concerning "best tires on the rear" have nothing to do with whether to rotate or not.
I used to think I knew better than BMW and rotated often. Now I concede they actually know what they're talking about - for their cars anyways (none of which are FWD, Mini excluded).
As I said before: Look in the owner's manual for your car (not your tires). If it tells you to rotate - rotate at least that often. If it tells you not to rotate - don't. If one pair of your tires is significantly mismatched put the best on the rear. Sure, you can counter steer, but most people won't do it successfully at 70mph when caught by surprise. Understeer is intuitive to the average brain, oversteer is not. I know which case I'd rather have my wife experience if she was out driving with the kids.
What a croc of garbage. Rotation is needed especially on FWD where theres 0 camber in the front and negative camber in the rear.
You can counter steer oversteer, wheres as with understeer just grab a door handle and squeeze !
Tire rotation makes 1000% sense, and anyone with knowledge in alignments and handling characteristics knows this.
Yeah. I guess all those German engineers, my own observations, and a continent full of drivers who actually drive at high speeds must all be wrong...
My contributions to this thread are concerning *a* case against tire rotation for the discussion, not *the* case why everyone on the planet should stop rotating. My comments concerning "best tires on the rear" have nothing to do with whether to rotate or not.
I used to think I knew better than BMW and rotated often. Now I concede they actually know what they're talking about - for their cars anyways (none of which are FWD, Mini excluded).
As I said before: Look in the owner's manual for your car (not your tires). If it tells you to rotate - rotate at least that often. If it tells you not to rotate - don't. If one pair of your tires is significantly mismatched put the best on the rear. Sure, you can counter steer, but most people won't do it successfully at 70mph when caught by surprise. Understeer is intuitive to the average brain, oversteer is not. I know which case I'd rather have my wife experience if she was out driving with the kids.
too many people here are married to "wrong wheel drive" and thus only speak to its issues.
Also, the whole understeer/oversteer thing is becoming moot with stability control systems intervening at the slightest slip.
Also, the whole understeer/oversteer thing is becoming moot with stability control systems intervening at the slightest slip.
I don't rotate my tires (although it may happen when I switch from summer to winter tires), and I prefer oversteer to understeer - just means I can steer with my right foot.
Preferring understeer is for the people that get excited by cupholders, gps, bluetooth, and cars that can park themselves. My car has none of those things.
I always put the new tires on the front. I figure more tread on the wheels that displace water / snow will keep stopping distances down. When I kill the rear tires, the fronts move to the back, and new ones go on the front.
Regular rally-x, ice racing, and the occasional auto-x makes understeer annoying. I honestly have difficulty understanding how anyone can prefer cars that ignore instructions (by the way, I drive an e30).
As for deer avoidance, I have two techniques:
1 - I see them in advance: I downshift and aim the car at them. they get scared and run away (sounds dumb, but when 3000lbs of steel starts growling and snarling, then charges at you, the headlight stupor seems to fade rather quickly).
2 - I don't see them until they're too close for comfort: I bury the brake pedal. I've broken a set of lines this way, but the only casualty was the lines themselves.
Preferring understeer is for the people that get excited by cupholders, gps, bluetooth, and cars that can park themselves. My car has none of those things.
I always put the new tires on the front. I figure more tread on the wheels that displace water / snow will keep stopping distances down. When I kill the rear tires, the fronts move to the back, and new ones go on the front.
Regular rally-x, ice racing, and the occasional auto-x makes understeer annoying. I honestly have difficulty understanding how anyone can prefer cars that ignore instructions (by the way, I drive an e30).
As for deer avoidance, I have two techniques:
1 - I see them in advance: I downshift and aim the car at them. they get scared and run away (sounds dumb, but when 3000lbs of steel starts growling and snarling, then charges at you, the headlight stupor seems to fade rather quickly).
2 - I don't see them until they're too close for comfort: I bury the brake pedal. I've broken a set of lines this way, but the only casualty was the lines themselves.
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