Tesla vs Porsche...

[UncleDave]

Originally Posted by Ws6

VW didnt compromise consumer safety.


Sure it did.

According to the WHO outdoor air pollution causes 4.2M deaths a year.

800K a year in europe which is where the diesel cheats hit the hardest.

From the guardian....

VW's defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe's biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year.

This is just on the diesels - the gas cheats haven't been tallied yet.

They didn't cheat a little - they cheated a lot.

UD

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Ws6

VW didnt compromise consumer safety.


Sure it did.

According to the WHO outdoor air pollution causes 4.2M deaths a year.

800K a year in europe which is where the diesel cheats hit the hardest.

From the guardian....

VW's defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe's biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year.

This is just on the diesels - the gas cheats haven't been tallied yet.

They didn't cheat a little - they cheated a lot.

UD



Well, all vehicles contribute to MVA deaths, so I guess I hate them all.

 

[Ws6]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903284/porsche-taycan-ev-800-volt-charging-performance/

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The Taycan can charge at a maximum of 270 kilowatts, which enables boosting the battery from 5 percent back up to 80 in a mere 22.5 minutes. But this requires using new 350-kW high-output charging stations; that's more power than even the most powerful Tesla Superchargers offer. Porsche promises 600 of these chargers across the U.S. by the end of 2020.


Still behind Tesla in number of stations, but honestly, I foresee some sort of standardization coming sooner rather than later.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
That's a very complex way of stating "Ends justifies the means".

We can hash over the successes of the corporate attitude, but I think you'd be unhappy when I brought up its failures.

Same goes for "great visionaries".

The long story made short is that success and influence are no excuse. I know and have known a lot of successful people who have this attitude. It's no less disgusting coming from them than anyone else.

I see your point, but it takes a really strong leader and executive staff to make hard decisions and to get big things done. Like the digital age...
At the top, people are brutal.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are legendary boardroom tyrants.
Same with sports.
The GB Packers used to say Vince Lombardi treated everyone the same,"He treated us all like dogs." Later Paul Hornung said Lombardi rescued the team.

I was pushed hard in Silicon Valley by my brutal, totally unfair boss (and others), to say the very least. I was also given incredible stock options to develop and support a mission critical software application.
While I was disgusted many times, I loved the pressure. I thrived in it. Many fell by the wayside. I was there 17 wonderful years.
No pain no gain, I'm afraid.
That's my experience.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Originally Posted by Ws6
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903284/porsche-taycan-ev-800-volt-charging-performance/

but honestly, I foresee some sort of standardization coming sooner rather than later.

Yes; all because of Tesla. And your good buddy Elon. Ha - just kidding.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Ws6

VW didnt compromise consumer safety.


Sure it did.

According to the WHO outdoor air pollution causes 4.2M deaths a year.

800K a year in europe which is where the diesel cheats hit the hardest.

From the guardian....

VW's defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe's biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year.

This is just on the diesels - the gas cheats haven't been tallied yet.

They didn't cheat a little - they cheated a lot.

UD

 

[UncleDave]

Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Ws6

VW didnt compromise consumer safety.


Sure it did.

According to the WHO outdoor air pollution causes 4.2M deaths a year.

800K a year in europe which is where the diesel cheats hit the hardest.

From the guardian....

VW's defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe's biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year.

This is just on the diesels - the gas cheats haven't been tallied yet.

They didn't cheat a little - they cheated a lot.

UD

???

Does air quality not mean anything? (say that living in so cal a while)

Or is it ok that VW basically tried to hose all other manufacturers that played by the rules?

Which one or both are you saying doenst matter with the emoticon response?



UD

 

[Trav]

I wonder how much NOx comes from sending smoke signals from the wigwam.

 

[JeffKeryk]

To keep it interesting...
Many have pointed out that the incredible Taycan is more of a high performance sports sedan, perhaps 4 seat sports car.
It is 5,100 pounds, 2.5 tons! Sheesh. But is is a Porsche so it will go like stink including supreme handling.

Well, perhaps we might look at the Tesla Roadster, do to come out... who the heck knows when?
Acceleration 0-60 mph. 1.9 sec.
Acceleration 0-100 mph. 4.2 sec.
Acceleration 1/4 mile. 8.8 sec.
Top Speed. Over 250 mph.
Wheel Torque. 10,000 Nm.
Mile Range. 620 miles.
$200K starting price.

Specs aren't everything, but if these numbers don't blow you away, you just don't get it.

The Porsche Turbo S starts at $185K, has no charging network and no AP.
I understand Porsche is working with Walmart to build a charging network. Taycan owners taking their cars to Walmart parking lots?

Looks like the Taycan would get spanked in a duel with the Roadster.
At least for me, the Porsche luster is already dimming.

My post was meant to compare ultimate EVs, but perhaps Porsche needs the petrol based $300K 911 GT2 RS to compete with the American car.

Roadster 2

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Ws6

VW didnt compromise consumer safety.


Sure it did.

According to the WHO outdoor air pollution causes 4.2M deaths a year.

800K a year in europe which is where the diesel cheats hit the hardest.

From the guardian....

VW's defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe's biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year.

This is just on the diesels - the gas cheats haven't been tallied yet.

They didn't cheat a little - they cheated a lot.

UD

???

Does air quality not mean anything? (say that living in so cal a while)

Or is it ok that VW basically tried to hose all other manufacturers that played by the rules?

Which one or both are you saying doenst matter with the emoticon response?



UD


Bruh...am I really being lectured about air quality by a person who drives all the polluting monsters you allege to own in your signature, while I drive a LEV? Are you really telling me to hate on VW for polluting?

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by Trav
I wonder how much NOx comes from sending smoke signals from the wigwam.

According to scientists, Native Americans actually cleared enough forest and burned enough wood to create climate change. Allegedly.

People are so full of themselves today thinking they are the all. The everything. Noone who came before...noone who comes after will survive if...

Pure hubris, money-raising, BS.

 

[Trav]

No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
To keep it interesting...
Many have pointed out that the incredible Taycan is more of a high performance sports sedan, perhaps 4 seat sports car.
It is 5,100 pounds, 2.5 tons! Sheesh. But is is a Porsche so it will go like stink including supreme handling.

Well, perhaps we might look at the Tesla Roadster, do to come out... who the heck knows when?
Acceleration 0-60 mph. 1.9 sec.
Acceleration 0-100 mph. 4.2 sec.
Acceleration 1/4 mile. 8.8 sec.
Top Speed. Over 250 mph.
Wheel Torque. 10,000 Nm.
Mile Range. 620 miles.
$200K starting price.

Specs aren't everything, but if these numbers don't blow you away, you just don't get it.

The Porsche Turbo S starts at $185K, has no charging network and no AP.
I understand Porsche is working with Walmart to build a charging network. Taycan owners taking their cars to Walmart parking lots?

Looks like the Taycan would get spanked in a duel with the Roadster.
At least for me, the Porsche luster is already dimming.

My post was meant to compare ultimate EVs, but perhaps Porsche needs the petrol based $300K 911 GT2 RS to compete with the American car.

Roadster 2

If the Roadster 2 has those specs at that price point, I'll eat my hat.

And it has to do it all more than once.

Right now, a base Cayman is faster around a track than any Tesla - because it can make it around the entire track - and it can do it all day.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Originally Posted by rooflessVW


If the Roadster 2 has those specs at that price point, I'll eat my hat.

And it has to do it all more than once.

Right now, a base Cayman is faster around a track than any Tesla - because it can make it around the entire track - and it can do it all day.

Actually, those numbers are believed to be, if anything, a bit conservative.
And repeatable.
The Cayman is beautiful; you probably know a lot about those cars but perhaps a little Tesla research might change your thoughts.
Entirely up to you...

I will tell you this. My car, a mid range Model 3, is really quick. It is a flat out blast to drive. Excellent handling.
It is more fun than a BMW 3 Series, according to those I have let it take for a spin.
Personally I find the BMW 3 Series just too dang cramped; but that's just my opinion.
It is a point and shoot, get you anywhere quick car. Easy to drive.
And then there's AP...

The Roadster will be the fastest production car ever built. The $3M Veyron currently holds that title.
I think the car will have something like 8,000 lb ft of torque.
Check it out, if you wish. All good and I appreciate your insights. The world is changing.
You can reserve one...

Tesla Roadster

 

[Andrew1972]

Musk is [censored] Porsche Taycan is stealing the Tesla thunder.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Originally Posted by rooflessVW


If the Roadster 2 has those specs at that price point, I'll eat my hat.

And it has to do it all more than once.

Right now, a base Cayman is faster around a track than any Tesla - because it can make it around the entire track - and it can do it all day.

Actually, those numbers are believed to be, if anything, a bit conservative.
And repeatable.
The Cayman is beautiful; you probably know a lot about those cars but perhaps a little Tesla research might change your thoughts.
Entirely up to you...

I will tell you this. My car, a mid range Model 3, is really quick. It is a flat out blast to drive. Excellent handling.
It is more fun than a BMW 3 Series, according to those I have let it take for a spin.
Personally I find the BMW 3 Series just too dang cramped; but that's just my opinion.
It is a point and shoot, get you anywhere quick car. Easy to drive.
And then there's AP...

The Roadster will be the fastest production car ever built. The $3M Veyron currently holds that title.
I think the car will have something like 8,000 lb ft of torque.
Check it out, if you wish. All good and I appreciate your insights. The world is changing.
You can reserve one...

Tesla Roadster

All that money for a vehicle that I cant even take on a road trip without planning hotel stays or absurdly long meals all along the way...

No EV is "there yet", imo

 

[bbhero]

Originally Posted by Trav
No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.

I agree...

And The Guardian... A moonbat way out there paper used to promote a agenda... Should automatically be trusted right

 

[Trav]

Just follow the money.

 

[MrHorspwer]

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I understand Porsche is working with Walmart to build a charging network. Taycan owners taking their cars to Walmart parking lots?


A local Supercharger near me is in a Denny's parking lot. $100,000 Model S and the best thing they can get while charging is a Grand Slam at Denny's with the retirees?

Tesla has partnered with Meijer, a regional midwest competitor to Walmart, to use their parking lots for Superchargers. Tesla is literally doing the exact thing you're poking fun of Porsche for doing.

This is why people hate Tesla owners. Get over yourself.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Originally Posted by MrHorspwer
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
I understand Porsche is working with Walmart to build a charging network. Taycan owners taking their cars to Walmart parking lots?


A local Supercharger near me is in a Denny's parking lot. $100,000 Model S and the best thing they can get while charging is a Grand Slam at Denny's with the retirees?

Tesla has partnered with Meijer, a regional midwest competitor to Walmart, to use their parking lots for Superchargers. Tesla is literally doing the exact thing you're poking fun of Porsche for doing.

This is why people hate Tesla owners. Get over yourself.

Tesla has 1,600 Supercharger stations and 14,000 Superchargers in Asia, North America, Europe and the Middle East. And growing.
Of course this buildout is part of the Tesla investment and critical to EV acceptance.
I am curious to see what Porsche, and others, do going forward. One would think standardization would go a long way.
The Tesla network implementation was planned and started years ago; it seems not having a network in place is putting the cart before the horse.
Musk has offered the option for Porsche to use their network; not sure about the whole story.
Perhaps you know Musk has made much of Tesla's software open source.

Again, kudos to Porsche for stepping up in a big way with the incredible Taycan. It only makes these and future products better for us, the consumers.