Tesla SEMI Event

I've encountered many semis in CA on Interstates 5 and 80 running at more than 70mph. California, IMHO, is not that different from the rest of the country.
CA really is different in a number of ways. I've spent half my adult life there. CHP pulls trucks and RV's/towing over for any speed over 55. We learned this the hard way.

Although there may be some, I'm not aware of any other states that do this in an otherwise 70mph zone.
 
My question is (because I know nothing about big diesel rigs) how does 70 to 80 affect fuel mileage? What about a 6% grade? The nice thing about the Tesla is it recoups some of the energy on the downside, where a diesel probably does not.

My questions are surrounding differences, benefits, etc of both drivetrains. I don't know much about maintenance downtime and cost for a diesel.
 
The nice thing about the Tesla is it recoups some of the energy on the downside, where a diesel probably does not.


This part intrigued me so I did a quick search and all I could come up with was regenerative braking. I was hoping for something that tied to engine braking. On a long grade downhill they wouldn’t be riding the brakes.
 
This part intrigued me so I did a quick search and all I could come up with was regenerative braking. I was hoping for something that tied to engine braking. On a long grade downhill they wouldn’t be riding the brakes.
As you know, regenerative braking does not use the brakes, it uses the motor. Here's a little blurb:

Regenerative braking happens when you let off the pressure from the accelerator while you are driving forward. The electric motor in an EV is how this works. There is a stator and a rotor. The stator is the stationary part and the rotor is the part that moves and turns. The accelerator in an EV pushes current into the stator, creating a magnetic field, which then turns the rotor. Letting off the accelerator keeps the rotor turning and pushes current in the other direction, charging up the battery and reducing the kinetic energy of the vehicle.
When you hit the brakes in an EV, or you let your foot off the accelerator, or drive down hill, the process of taking energy from the battery to go to the motor and spin the wheels forward goes in reverse and charges the battery.

Now, I do not know exactly how the SEMI will regen. Perhaps @UncleDave, @OVERKILL, @Cujet, @Astro14 or one of our other smarty pants professors can chime in.

My curiosity is how today's diesels brake on a grade downside in comparison; I imagine a downshift and traditional braking. If the SEMI is like Tesla cars, there is no downshifting, but the brakes would certainly be needed for stronger stops.

By the way, I flat out love 1 pedal driving.
 
My curiosity is how today's diesels brake on a grade downside in comparison; I imagine a downshift and traditional braking. If the SEMI is like Tesla cars, there is no downshifting, but the brakes would certainly be needed for stronger stops.


Jake brake.


Deadman’s Pass. Interstate 84 headed towards Pendleton Oregon. It’s been a few years since I went through there but the speed limit is 45mph with some turns at 30.


 
My question is (because I know nothing about big diesel rigs) how does 70 to 80 affect fuel mileage? What about a 6% grade? The nice thing about the Tesla is it recoups some of the energy on the downside, where a diesel probably does not.

My questions are surrounding differences, benefits, etc of both drivetrains. I don't know much about maintenance downtime and cost for a diesel.

Diesel trucks are much like EV's with regard to energy consumption (MPG) vs speed. That is, the faster you go, the more you use. The old rule of thumb used to be 1/10th of a MPG loss for every MPG faster. I've not driven a big diesel in years, (only a 26 foot Cummins powered moving truck from FL to NY) and as I understand it, modern rigs lose a touch more with each addl MPH than 1990's rigs.

I used to get about 6.5MPG dragging around an enclosed 3 race car trailer to the various tracks. The MPG up a hill was about 3mpg, and downhill maybe about 30, unless the throttle was fully lifted, an then it used nil fuel. This was a very long time ago and modern diesels seem a bit more linear in MPG than what I experienced. That Cummins powered moving truck achieved 10.3mpg at gross weight about 26,000 (if I remember correctly) and the engine is terribly unresponsive, and achieves 44% thermal efficiency in cruise.

Of note, ungoverned trucks can get better economy in some situations. As they can pick up speed downhill. Which translates to inertia up the next hill or down the next straight.
 
so read the thread ,was the weight mentioned? because the weight of the truck must be subtracted from the payload.The income is ofter dependent on weight (cargo ) and the miles it can go. not all cargo is sailboat fuel.It will work in very specific ranges (weight/home every night).
Big, max gross loads cross country ..........
The battery is 20,000 lbs according to another post here, that means it can carry 20,000 lbs less because you run up against the regulations governing axle loading.(80,000) round about.
 
He did his homework on this topic. Nuclear is by far the greenest, safest, cheapest and most reliable source of energy known to man. Nothing else comes close. Even (the smart) die-hard environmentalists agree. Why I changed my mind about nuclear power | Michael Shellenberger | TEDxBerlin - YouTube

Oh, I know, I'm the resident BITOG nuclear advocate, lol. See my Ontario Nuclear Update threads :)

Shellengerger is a bit of a contentious figure, but overall, I think he tries to present a well-reasoned position on most subjects that he engages, nuclear being one of them. One of his more controversial points is that we'll continue to need gas and fossil fuels for the foreseeable future unless we want to go back to living like it's the 1700's. He's not wrong, but it gets spun like he's a fossil fuel advocate.

Folks pitch storage and other options but really haven't done any calculations on what that actually looks like. VRE advocates like Marc Jacobson typically make wholly unrealistic assumptions about transmission and storage in order to contort their view into something that can be spun as "viable".
 
so read the thread ,was the weight mentioned? because the weight of the truck must be subtracted from the payload.The income is ofter dependent on weight (cargo ) and the miles it can go. not all cargo is sailboat fuel.It will work in very specific ranges (weight/home every night).
Big, max gross loads cross country ..........
The battery is 20,000 lbs according to another post here, that means it can carry 20,000 lbs less because you run up against the regulations governing axle loading.(80,000) round about.
Estimates are the Tesla Semi is about 2,000 pounds heavier than a traditional diesel. If the Semi were 20K pounds heavier, it would be of little use, right?
The actual weight has not been disclosed, AFAIK.
 
Estimates are the Tesla Semi is about 2,000 pounds heavier than a traditional diesel. If the Semi were 20K pounds heavier, it would be of little use, right?
The actual weight has not been disclosed, AFAIK.
Lots of semis haul freight that no matter how full the trailer is it won't be heavy. In my past life I would drive truck out of the line drivers local and would work for Coca Cola USA hauling soft drink syrup concentrate Those trucks were always loaded to as close to 80,000 lbs as possible. The local trucks probably aren't loaded so heavy. Losing 2,000 lbs of cargo revenue can be costly if weight rates are the revenue . Like anything else in life the right tool for the job is what matters. The industry will over time prove the viability [$$$$$] of the semis. They as cars certainly would be nice for delivery where we see and I will use soft drink or beer distribution, there the trucks go to the store and unload and stock the shelves then drive a few miles and do it again.
 
Oh, I know, I'm the resident BITOG nuclear advocate, lol. See my Ontario Nuclear Update threads :)

Shellengerger is a bit of a contentious figure, but overall, I think he tries to present a well-reasoned position on most subjects that he engages, nuclear being one of them. One of his more controversial points is that we'll continue to need gas and fossil fuels for the foreseeable future unless we want to go back to living like it's the 1700's. He's not wrong, but it gets spun like he's a fossil fuel advocate.

Folks pitch storage and other options but really haven't done any calculations on what that actually looks like. VRE advocates like Marc Jacobson typically make wholly unrealistic assumptions about transmission and storage in order to contort their view into something that can be spun as "viable".
Do to my low IQ I ponder many things like what it takes for power water and sewage. What it takes for airplanes to fly all over nation or world, Shipping etc, or how products are developed and built and marketed..
 
Do to my low IQ I ponder many things like what it takes for power water and sewage. What it takes for airplanes to fly all over nation or world, Shipping etc, or how products are developed and built and marketed..
Yup, most of which aren't going to be able to be powered by sunshine and breezes.
 
so read the thread ,was the weight mentioned? because the weight of the truck must be subtracted from the payload.The income is ofter dependent on weight (cargo ) and the miles it can go. not all cargo is sailboat fuel.It will work in very specific ranges (weight/home every night).
Big, max gross loads cross country ..........
The battery is 20,000 lbs according to another post here, that means it can carry 20,000 lbs less because you run up against the regulations governing axle loading.(80,000) round about.
Not correct, the diesel engine and components is much more heavy than the electric motors replacing it.
Overall the EV truck is more heavy but your looking at a few thousand pounds maybe not 10s of thousands.

The big names have placed orders for the semi not concerned about any payload deficiencies.
 
Estimates are the Tesla Semi is about 2,000 pounds heavier than a traditional diesel. If the Semi were 20K pounds heavier, it would be of little use, right?
The actual weight has not been disclosed, AFAIK.
ok thanks I was basing the 20,000 on the battery capacity and the resulting weight ,that's to meet the claims of the tractors range, if it only weighs 2000 over a current road going semi they must be built of exotic stuff humm?
 
Not correct, the diesel engine and components is much more heavy than the electric motors replacing it.
Overall the EV truck is more heavy but your looking at a few thousand pounds maybe not 10s of thousands.

The big names have placed orders for the semi not concerned about any payload deficiencies.
the big names that place orders are paying for them out of the advertising budgets try not to get too excited about modern wonders.they mostly disappoint .
 
This event is in celebration of the 1st SEMI being delivered to Pepsi in Nevada. The SEMI uses 3 Plaid motors, I believe. One is in use all the time, the other 2 kick in seamlessly for acceleration or when climbing a grade. The truck can climb a 6% grade at speed. Regeneration occurs on the downside. No downshifting.

Around 3:30 of the video it show a clip of the fully loaded SEMI on a 500 mile run between Fremont and San Diego, at the Donner Pass grade. Grapevine and all. One charge.
I would be curious what BITOG truck drivers feel about the way the SEMI performs vs a diesel rig. Apparantly the SEMI has 3x the power.
Thanks in advance.

Tesla SEMI Event

How much was the payload weighing?
 
Well we’re seeing lots of issues with emission control on “conventional” trucks.

Full torque at 0 rpm is pretty great feature-wise.

Even if they added an APU to the truck frame (trucks don’t have the stupid tax break requirements in the law like cars do), it would be a great approach.

It’s not for every application. But for certain delivery jobs, where it could probably even charge while unloading, it can make a lot of sense if cost competitive. It’s not exactly unproven if using parts from their other lines…

1000 Kwh battery, lets hope there's not 10 trucks charging at those docks while unloading, you'd need a 10 MW hour connection to the grid....
 
Pepsi, for one . I've heard, but haven't verified, that JB Hunt has an interest. Didn't Amazon order or somehow get involved with Rivian. These trucks would be perfect for some of their applications.

The other part of your question would be answerable once the cost was known. Let's see if the costs can be compared. A new Freightliner Cascadia tickets for about $160,00 and goes up from there. $190,00 - $200,00 is not unreasonable for a nicely equipped model. The only figure I have thus far for the Tesla is $180,00 ... does anyone have something different?

But you might need 12 teslas to haul what 10 freightliners haul... with 12 drivers, and maintenance on 12 trucks.
 
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