Tesla recalls 2m cars

BMWTurboDzl said:
For sure it's not the "only" reason for Tesla's profitability but it's still a price subsidy. We all know their golden goose has been the sale of carbon credits (Q3 YoY increase of 94%). It's kind of funny when you look at Q3 and see they earned $1.78B in carbon credits and their net income was $1.85B.
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Tesla is in rapid growth mode. Building new factories, upgrading and expanding others is not exactly cheap.
 
alarmguy said:
We are missing the fact that Tesla has been slashing prices/ profit margins to move cars. Take away that $7,500 gift and they would have to slash more or close down plants.
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Are we going to discuss how legacy oems are also eating the whole or part of the 7500 gift through section 45w on leases?
 
John Galt said:
Actually I like the concept and if it worked for my needs I would consider one. I’m anal about keeping all my Apple technology up to date and I would do the same here. Unlike many on this site I like the increased safety that modern features like lane keeping assist, radar cruise control, rain sensing wipers etc give. I give kudos to Tesla for rolling out safety improvements to the cars and not just reacting to recalls. They seem to care about the customer experience.

But I can’t unsee that puckered Tesla front “grill” indent design. It’s like the car just ate a lemon, really a turn off! Probably great in the air flow chamber but ugly.
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I like this stuff too but the camera only Tesla system(my only extended experience with it) is not very confidence inspiring. I basically only use cruise now in the car and it has phantom braked on me many times. It makes me feel sick to my stomach.

To be fair my VW did phantom brake, but it only happened once. I think this is likely due it using radar in addition to the forward facing camera so it has something to compare to what it's seeing. I also use the lane assist more often in the VW. I find it annoying at times, but it's on a hot key in the VW to easily select it off and on. It's slightly more buried in the Tesla so I'm less likely to switch it on. Part of this may be that I'm just more used to the VW because I drive it more, but I tend to use lane assist at odd hours because of my job if I'm concerned about my alert level after a long day.
 
bullwinkle said:
What about the $15,000 that Tesla buyers paid to unlock the “full self-driving” feature? Guessing they’re not getting that back, fools! A fool & his money is some party!
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Tesla doesn't owe anyone anything if they were not sold to begin with. It is just an "all good things come to an end" deal for them. Maybe they will find another hack in the future?
 
fdcg27 said:
If you offer a feature and call it "Autopilot" and then go on to offer what you call "FSD" for a substantial additional charge, then you'd better be able to deliver that experience.
These Tesla cars don't, just as my Accord doesn't nor do those from any other manufacturer. FSD will exist if and only if we build smart highways and mandate a common intercar communication a common protocol.
Tesla can fix this with no more than an OTA software update and can remotely brick any car whose owner rejects it, as they will have to do.
Meanwhile, Tesla will continue as the largest producer of EVs in the world, tax credit or not, despite some of the Debbie Downer doubters in this thread.
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I only trust what my insurance company says. If I got into an accident using "autopilot" and "full self driving" and my insurance company claim it as my fault, then I would not consider it "auto" or "self".
 
alarmguy said:
We are missing the fact that Tesla has been slashing prices/ profit margins to move cars. Take away that $7,500 gift and they would have to slash more or close down plants.
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Musk already permanently put the Mexican plant and model 2 on hold. Back in February he talked it up about how quickly Tesla would get the new factory built and by early 2024 start pumping out the mythical model 2. Unfortunately battery prices haven't fallen enough to make a $25,000 ev feasible. VW claims that they'll have a 25,000 euro ev ready by mid 2024 for sale. Yeah and Tesla stock holders are ticked that Tesla continues to slash prices and margins across the line. The Cybertruck has been a multi billion dollar boondoggle with nothing to show but deliveries will be "soon". The "handover " of 10 cybertrucks to employees recently came out that 10 employees received "pre-production " or test vehicles which is a sham. They can't be plated or insured as they don't have a vin just a serial number not sure what they're supposed to do with them.
 
JeffKeryk said:
Tesla is in rapid growth mode. Building new factories, upgrading and expanding others is not exactly cheap.
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Rapid growth mode? Musk cancelled and pushed back the factory in Mexico along with the model 2. The only way they could even come close to manufacturing a "cheap Tesla " was in Mexico. His antics at Twitter/X and Space X are starting to cause pushback at Tesla. Remember in 1979 Atari had 75-80% of the home console market. Where are they now? Just a parted out company that I don't think even really exists, not like it previously did. Tesla isn't immune from Musks antics and people are starting to wear thin.
 
JeffKeryk said:
And their margins are still the envy of the industry. So what does that say for legacy car companies?
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That’s not true. It used to be - in 2022. After the early 2023 price cuts, Mercedes and BMW have surpassed Tesla. Here’s Autoline’s data through the first half of 2023.

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97prizm said:
Rapid growth mode? Musk cancelled and pushed back the factory in Mexico along with the model 2. The only way they could even come close to manufacturing a "cheap Tesla " was in Mexico. His antics at Twitter/X and Space X are starting to cause pushback at Tesla. Remember in 1979 Atari had 75-80% of the home console market. Where are they now? Just a parted out company that I don't think even really exists, not like it previously did. Tesla isn't immune from Musks antics and people are starting to wear thin.
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Maybe with the sodium ion battery in the works Tesla wants to hold off for now? Just a thought.
 
97prizm said:
Rapid growth mode? Musk cancelled and pushed back the factory in Mexico along with the model 2. The only way they could even come close to manufacturing a "cheap Tesla " was in Mexico. His antics at Twitter/X and Space X are starting to cause pushback at Tesla. Remember in 1979 Atari had 75-80% of the home console market. Where are they now? Just a parted out company that I don't think even really exists, not like it previously did. Tesla isn't immune from Musks antics and people are starting to wear thin.
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Perhaps check your sources. The "Model 2" will be built in Austin and then Monterrey after the plant is opened.

Annual growth:
  • 2023 1.8M estimated, results will be close
  • 2022: 1,313,851 vehicles
  • 2021: 936,172 vehicles
  • 2019: 367,656 vehicles
  • 2018: 245,491 vehicles
  • 2017: 103,091 vehicles
  • 2016: 76,243 vehicles
 
JeffKeryk said:
Perhaps check your sources. The "Model 2" will be built in Austin and then Monterrey after the plant is opened.

Annual growth:
  • 2023 1.8M estimated, results will be close
  • 2022: 1,313,851 vehicles
  • 2021: 936,172 vehicles
  • 2019: 367,656 vehicles
  • 2018: 245,491 vehicles
  • 2017: 103,091 vehicles
  • 2016: 76,243 vehicles
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From Musks original talking Tesla would lose money on every model 2 made not even a break even. USA wages were too high to make manufacturing in the USA for a low cost model feasible.
 
There will be the negative perception of a recall affecting 2MM Tesla vehicles, however minor. Lots of people want to jump on the offensive with EVs. Sorry to see the rebate go, though.
 
goinggreentx said:
There will be the negative perception of a recall affecting 2MM Tesla vehicles, however minor. Lots of people want to jump on the offensive with EVs. Sorry to see the rebate go, though.
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Sure.
Anything with the word Tesla, Elon, Musk, etc. sells; it's clickbait extraordinaire. The "recall" is an update to better deal with drivers mis-using the car. It ain't like stalling, brake failure or power window motor failure.

It's also done via OTA updates; no dealer visit and part replacement.
 
I'm glad that they are finally doing something about the issue. One of my local insurance guys was killed in a Tesla when it failed to recognize a split in the road. Probably part the drivers fault putting too much faith in the auto pilot system.
 
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