Tesla recalls 2m cars

It will be a software update for the auto driving features. Maybe a change of wording on future models?
Tesla got credit for working closely with government on this. It sounds pretty much like ignorant people using the system as not intended with some blame on the way the cars were marketed.

The update will prevent the public from using the system in ways it was not meant to be used and use it according to the manual.
With that said, to be fair idiot or not, Tesla always overstated the system in the media. So in the simplistic way to say this, it will protect idiots from themselves and I suspect get Tesla marketing BS in line as well if they haven't done so already years ago.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2m-tesla-vehicles-recalled-autopilot-safety-concerns

https://time.com/6432302/tesla-recalls-vehicles-autopilot/
 
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There have been numerous OTA updates to deter drivers from mis-using AP. My guess is this will continue to be a problem. There was a rich kid around here who got on the freeway, set AP and got in the back seat filming himself. I am not sure how he overrode the Nag...
His Model 3 was impounded so he bought another and continued his deadly pranks.

I don't get it.
 
proveitwithdata said:
software update will limit where Autosteer can be used.

I assume ota makes these recalls rollout faster?
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Autosteer is already limited in use cases; this will further restrict use.
Tesla OTA updates are pretty regular seem to be batched by area. They are generally fairly minor but can be pretty big.
Your cellphone app will alert you when one is ready as will the in-car tablet. They generally take 20 minutes.

OTA updates are a huge benefit to technology based design; just think of the time and $$ saved by both owner and manufacturer.
What is really nice is, Tesla asks for suggestions from owners; these are often implemented via OTA. Dog Mode for the win!

For example, my car is on version 2023.44.1 which includes:
  • Front bumper camera washer
  • Seatbelt reminders
  • Destination charging availability
  • Single pull to start autopilot
  • Speed assist
  • Live camera access
  • Minor fixes
  • Service mode
 
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I guess there must be some agreement between the owner of a Tesla and the company that allows them to push OTA a software update or feature change on to the car? Even Apple, which runs probably the most closed software system in public use, allows the owner of a computer or iPhone to decide if they want to do a software update. Does Tesla allow you to refuse the recall?

I like to research a recall before I bring in the car to have it done. This comes from a recall experience with an Isuzu Trooper II I owned. There was a recall on the rear door hinges because some owners reported difficulty opening the doors. My doors worked just fine but I took it in for the recall anyway. I thought they were going to change the hinge out. Instead when I got the car back the shop had drilled a hole in each hinge on the exterior metal part, through the paint and primer, and squirted a bit of oil through it to reach the pin. They then placed a plastic plug in the hole. I was then supposed to bring it in yearly for hinge oiling through the hole.
 
John Galt said:
I guess there must be some agreement between the owner of a Tesla and the company that allows them to push OTA a software update or feature change on to the car? Even Apple, which runs probably the most closed software system in public use, allows the owner of a computer or iPhone to decide if they want to do a software update. Does Tesla allow you to refuse the recall?

I like to research a recall before I bring in the car to have it done. This comes from a recall experience with an Isuzu Trooper II I owned. There was a recall on the rear door hinges because some owners reported difficulty opening the doors. My doors worked just fine but I took it in for the recall anyway. I thought they were going to change the hinge out. Instead when I got the car back the shop had drilled a hole in each hinge on the exterior metal part, through the paint and primer, and squirted a bit of oil through it to reach the pin. They then placed a plastic plug in the hole. I was then supposed to bring it in yearly for hinge oiling through the hole.
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This may be a deal breaker for you. OTA updates are a huge benefit allowing for quick, painless fixes as well as new functionality.
These cars are different and are not for everyone.
 
Yet another thing that doesn’t affect me since I don’t use driver aids in the car.

Software update? No let’s call it recall in the news to rile people up.
 
edyvw said:
They also lost $7,500 tax write off.
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I would guess that Tesla doesn't need the $7500 to be competitive in selling their product and make money. As it stands right now most traditional manufactures building EVs need this $7500 to incent buyers and they are still in a loss position for every EV they sell.

Interesting note on the retail EV situation. Have a close by Ford dealer listing a 2022 Mach E for list $80k+ while I had a hard time selling a 2022 Mach E for just over $50k, similar miles (<10,000 miles), similar options. Mine sold in September after being in stock for 3 months. Was glad to see it go. Owner took a $30k loss on trade in, owned it less than a year. Brokers won't put numbers on EV trade ins. No market for used EVs made by traditional manufacturers. Tesla, there are buyers.
 
Danno said:
I would guess that Tesla doesn't need the $7500 to be competitive in selling their product and make money. As it stands right now most traditional manufactures building EVs need this $7500 to incent buyers and they are still in a loss position for every EV they sell.

Interesting note on the retail EV situation. Have a close by Ford dealer listing a 2022 Mach E for list $80k+ while I had a hard time selling a 2022 Mach E for just over $50k, similar miles (
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Of course Tesla needs $7,500. I know Tesla has bunch of die hard fans that would buy vehicle even if it comes with complimentary dog poop inside.
However, there is drop in enthusiasm toward the brand for various reasons. Also, $7,500 buys A LOT of gas, especially if it is hybrid. They supposed to sack Tesla at the beginning of this year, but it was lobbied to extend benefits.
After all that $7,500 is still $7,500. It matters.
 
Torrid said:
Yet another thing that doesn’t affect me since I don’t use driver aids in the car.

Software update? No let’s call it recall in the news to rile people up.
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How would you think it should be labelled in the automotive world?
I dont agree with you, software update does not sound serious in a car or a home or any device. Since an automobile can kill you, literally even in this case.

Recall is certainly more urgent sounding and alerts the public to a defect in which at least 17 people have been killed in this recall.
The word over the air software update does not exactly convey that.

BTW - the "recall in the news" is not to "rile people up", it is the news media reporting the exact word the US Government used = "recall"
 
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What about the $15,000 that Tesla buyers paid to unlock the “full self-driving” feature? Guessing they’re not getting that back, fools! A fool & his money is some party!
 
JeffKeryk said:
This may be a deal breaker for you. OTA updates are a huge benefit allowing for quick, painless fixes as well as new functionality.
These cars are different and are not for everyone.
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Hi Jeff,

I don’t have a dog in this race so I don’t really care. EV’s don’t work for my trip needs. But I also like not to be spend tax dollars, which the $7,500 rebates really are, to subsidize the purchase by the wealthy of what for many are really toys or virtue signaling devices.

On the original topic -the following statement is at the end of the Tesla announcement you linked to which seems to say the customer has a say in installing the update/recall.

Do I need to make a service appointment for this recall?

No. At no cost to customers, affected vehicles will receive an over-the-air software remedy, which customers can install at their convenience. The owner does not need to schedule a service appointment.
 
JeffKeryk said:
This may be a deal breaker for you. OTA updates are a huge benefit allowing for quick, painless fixes as well as new functionality.
These cars are different and are not for everyone.
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I'm not that familiar with Tesla's, do they ever (temporarily) brick the car? GM has been doing this lately as well and the new Colorado has had issues where a failed update causes the battery to run down leaving you stranded. Hopefully just teething pain, as a guy who writes software for a living I half worry and half look forward to this type of thing in the future, it all depends on the implementation.
 
edyvw said:
Of course Tesla needs $7,500. I know Tesla has bunch of die hard fans that would buy vehicle even if it comes with complimentary dog poop inside.
However, there is drop in enthusiasm toward the brand for various reasons. Also, $7,500 buys A LOT of gas, especially if it is hybrid. They supposed to sack Tesla at the beginning of this year, but it was lobbied to extend benefits.
After all that $7,500 is still $7,500. It matters.
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My point was on a comparison of the various manufacturers. As for specifically needing the $7500, given Tesla's advanced manufacturing and competitive lead on these techniques, they have found a way to overcome this, not a surprise in any way that that rebate was going away.
 
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