Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team

Dave Hess said:
Lots of smart and talented engineers will avoid wanting to work for Tesla after seeing how he handled these recent layoffs.

Unless engineers on a work visa really need a job and are desperate.

Just wait till election is over and we finally get a recession …… we’ll see how much more Elon will cut when sales dwindle even more.
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Elon has always been a slave driver of a boss. People who could stay in Tesla usually will have no problem finding another job in the Bay Area. Every other job would be at least on par (Meta, Amazon, Apple) or relaxing afterward.

Unfortunately things like this happen. Many people recently in the job market got their offer rescinded after they handed in their 2 week notice at their old job. This is not just Tesla but other companies as well.

I hope the interns get at least something so they are not losing money on the lease they already signed.
 
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PandaBear said:
Elon has always been a slave driver of a boss. People who could stay in Tesla usually will have no problem finding another job in the Bay Area. Every other job would be at least on par (Meta, Amazon, Apple) or relaxing afterward.

Unfortunately things like this happen. Many people recently in the job market got their offer rescinded after they handed in their 2 week notice at their old job. This is not just Tesla but other companies as well.

I hope the interns get at least something so they are not losing money on the lease they already signed.
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Years ago Microsoft had me meet with the Tesla CIO in Redmond. The topic was the SAP replacement; Elon hates SAP. We discussed development tools which were my thing.
Microsoft warned me to not listen to any job offer; "Don't go there; Tesla is a sweatshop". Their "Project Warp" was an incredible success.
 
PandaBear said:
Elon is probably the person who figures it out and willing to bet on it. The only way to hide a $20k battery is in a luxury car.
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True that could be a lot of the reason for the price point. VW wants $25k for a EA888 2.0T when that comes in a car with a $32k price tag though. Tesla doesn't benefit from lowering their brand image. If they sell $25k cars they may lose their premium perception. I know not everyone sees Tesla this way, but it's the vast reaction I get from people when I bought the cheapest car they make. It seems the public see them as a premium priced product even though they sell two vehicles below the median vehicle sales price.

It must be a North American specific issue though. We have Infiniti and Lexus here with cars that are sold under Nissan and Toyota in Japan. These brands at least assume we have a fixation on brand cache.
 
Tesla's management team and board of directors won't give a rat's rectum about losing their premium perception if and when the rumored $25k models comes out. Which will probably be closer to $30k due to the inflationary effect upon materials and labor over the last few years.
Case in point: Did Mercedes introducing those horrid E Class vehicles which I guess now is their A Class model which can be had for about $35k see their image be tarnished ? Or BMW selling their 2 Series which start around $38.5k see a change in perception of their brand ? Nope. People who want to appear upwardly mobile and put on airs of wealth and success buy them. Often on a lease. The general public sees a Mercedes A Class or BMW 2 Series and has no idea that it is priced about the same as a Camry and likely isn't as reliable or built as well. They just think it's a luxury car and the driver must be successful.

Tesla is only interested in making money. Notice how they spend zero money on advertising ? They will build a less expensive EV, sell millions and laugh all the way to the bank.
 
JohnnyG said:
I read this morning that he's hiring them back.
Maybe it was a retirement scam?
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Quick look says "some". So it could be a ploy to weed people out, axe 'em all and see who is willing to return.

I sure wouldn't want to, not if I could find someplace else. That's a heck of a sword to live under, going forward. I mean, all jobs are like that to some degree, never know when the merry-go-round will end, but that's just management taunting people I think.

Maybe Elon wants higher turnover, but these people were sticking around too long? pure speculation there.
 
DwightFrye said:
Tesla's management team and board of directors won't give a rat's rectum about losing their premium perception if and when the rumored $25k models comes out. Which will probably be closer to $30k due to the inflationary effect upon materials and labor over the last few years.
Case in point: Did Mercedes introducing those horrid E Class vehicles which I guess now is their A Class model which can be had for about $35k see their image be tarnished ? Or BMW selling their 2 Series which start around $38.5k see a change in perception of their brand ? Nope. People who want to appear upwardly mobile and put on airs of wealth and success buy them. Often on a lease. The general public sees a Mercedes A Class or BMW 2 Series and has no idea that it is priced about the same as a Camry and likely isn't as reliable or built as well. They just think it's a luxury car and the driver must be successful.

Tesla is only interested in making money. Notice how they spend zero money on advertising ? They will build a less expensive EV, sell millions and laugh all the way to the bank.
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They spend money on advertising. You and a lot of others just don’t see it as advertising.
 
Vercingetorix said:
Maybe Tesla fired the engineers because not all the best engineers went to Tesla? Maybe reality is interfering with the Tesla pipe dream?
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My bet is Elon likes to think the best engineers are working for him. Just a small part of the pipe dream imo.
 
Owen Lucas said:
What I'm trying to figure out is what he said that's racist. I Googled around and didn't get anything other than some people making weak connections that being anti-woke is racist. So hire someone to check a box or hire based on merit, that appears to be what's triggering some.
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Googling will never provide a holistic, impartial, nor complete information, not even close. Google is afforded great anti-trust benefits that generate billions in net-profits. Google needs to stay in favor to maintain this very favored status. Google algorithms are designed to influence, not inform.

Want to learn about an individual, it will take a large investment of your time. Watching snippets on youutube does not tell the story you may be searching for. One has to invest many hours watching the person to discover what they arre looking for. And of note, sources of even finding videos to watch are becoming scarce.

It is not surprising a google search wasn't so helpful. Google is not necessarily there to help; it is there to influence.
 
DwightFrye said:
Examples please ? I'm usually pretty immune to being hoodwinked but maybe I have missed something.
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You haven't missed anything, pretty much in Tesla's entire history it has spent $0.00 on advertising. Which is amazing.
That has started to change in 2023 to present 2024. It would only makes sense as other EVs hit the market.

Even though technically it is a large statistical advertising jump. Tesla doesn't even spend pennies per car compared to everyone else which is still amazing. But I think almost expected as it was one of the one and only EVs around for a long time.
Musk has indicated late last year (2023) they are going to try a "little advertising" It only makes sense. Part of that was going to be in Japan but indications are also other social media including Facebook.

If you don't know me by now, you should. I do believe in statements being accurate and you are correct. They spend nothing on advertising with a shift coming and who could deny that isn't a smart move as EVs hit the market. Still it is a tiny, tiny budget that other car companies can only dream of. All this info is on line, just posting two small links. BTH if anyone thinks up to 6 million in advertising around the world is a lot, you need to see the BILLIONS others spend.
NO ONE can deny Tesla broke the advertising mold with one of the most effective marketing campaigns that will be replicated by other companies if possible.

https://teslanorth.com/2024/03/29/tesla-advertising-spend-6-5-million-2023/

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/02/tesla-marketing-campaign-takes-a-slightly-traditional-turn/

https://www.marketingexplainers.com/teslas-marketing-strategy-explained/
 
Actually, Tesla did start advertising last year. You probably missed it, because it was in limited markets.
Here's their 1st commercial. This was the Highland introduction.
There was one I saw, about a Mom and her Model Y. Heck, the Tesla website is advertising.

Tesla advertising is, of course minimal in comparison to traditional car companies.
Heck, everything Musk does or says, or is made up, is blasted by the media for free.
 
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According to a number of websites yesterday Musk just realized that he actually needs the supercharging department if Tesla is still on track to install more sites. Apparently now Tesla is trying to Re-hire some employees back. If the Tesla leadership is this short sighted then it's time for new leadership.
 
Torrid said:
True that could be a lot of the reason for the price point. VW wants $25k for a EA888 2.0T when that comes in a car with a $32k price tag though. Tesla doesn't benefit from lowering their brand image. If they sell $25k cars they may lose their premium perception. I know not everyone sees Tesla this way, but it's the vast reaction I get from people when I bought the cheapest car they make. It seems the public see them as a premium priced product even though they sell two vehicles below the median vehicle sales price.

It must be a North American specific issue though. We have Infiniti and Lexus here with cars that are sold under Nissan and Toyota in Japan. These brands at least assume we have a fixation on brand cache.
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Lexus and Infiniti were an American only brand for a long time. In Japan Toyota made everything from cheap compacts to the Toyota Crown V-12 super luxury sedan. Americans have a penchant I guess about brand image. The VW Phaeton was a total flop while the Audi A8/S8 were very Similar underneath and twice as expensive. The public couldn't get their head around the price of the Phaeton as it was a "VW".
 
The Phaeton was hand built in Dresden at the famous VW Gläserne Manufaktur (glass factory) on the same platform and assembly line as the Bentley Continental GT and Flying Spur. AFAIK it did not share the same platform as the A8 in its home market only the USA.
All the components were the same as used in the Bentley but sold at almost half the price, it was a steal, the only mistake was throwing a VW badge on it instead of Audi, the V12 engine was the better engine.
 
97prizm said:
Lexus and Infiniti were an American only brand for a long time. In Japan Toyota made everything from cheap compacts to the Toyota Crown V-12 super luxury sedan. Americans have a penchant I guess about brand image. The VW Phaeton was a total flop while the Audi A8/S8 were very Similar underneath and twice as expensive. The public couldn't get their head around the price of the Phaeton as it was a "VW".
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That's what I mean, it seems to be a US car buyer phenomenon.
 
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