Something stupid can drive electric to insane levels too. Forcing people to move or pony up big money for solar to power their EVs. I don't worry much about hypothetical things like that.
Tesla just laid off entire new vehicle team and supercharging team
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It wasn't hypothetical getting rid of the current cost of gas for me. I only bring that up because we all have different thresholds of what we consider acceptable cost wise and that's why we make different decisions with the same exact information. I just find all of that interesting.
Fair enough. I just highlighted the obvious from your earlier comments when you picked $20/gallon for gas. The only thing for certain in this lifetime is we're all going to die. Everything else is subject to change, including the cost of gas and electric, that's my point.
@Torrid and @demarpaint are teaching us an important Econ lesson; product elasticity.
Product elasticity, or price elasticity of demand, measures how sensitive a product's demand is to price changes. It's calculated by dividing the percentage change in quantity demanded by the percentage change in price.
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Product elasticity, or price elasticity of demand, measures how sensitive a product's demand is to price changes. It's calculated by dividing the percentage change in quantity demanded by the percentage change in price.
You guys are awesome sauce!
The people that really wanted a CT bought one and now demand is slowing.
And the potential buyers that consider buying a CT might not be able to afford it.
I think they've hurt themselves by not releasing the RWD to sell to some of the reservations that wanted the base truck. It'll still be $20k too high for many, but that would pick up more sales.
I'm not taking sides other then to say that I see Tesla as a nimble company. Able to adjust output which will maintain supply but not so much of it that they have to take a big hit on profitably.
As far as not producing a cheaper version. I'm sure it was.a business decision to maintain and not compromise profit margin. True he miscalculated by promoting a cheaper version but he bailed out when realizing it couldn't be done maintaining a good profit. As a good business person he could care less what the media or public thought about that decision. We have to acknowledge he is a leader and true leaders make decisions not to always cater to public opinion.
Musk seems to be well versed managing businesses and keeping costs in check.
I suspect many look forward to his new endeavors of which we can't discuss here
As far as not producing a cheaper version. I'm sure it was.a business decision to maintain and not compromise profit margin. True he miscalculated by promoting a cheaper version but he bailed out when realizing it couldn't be done maintaining a good profit. As a good business person he could care less what the media or public thought about that decision. We have to acknowledge he is a leader and true leaders make decisions not to always cater to public opinion.
Musk seems to be well versed managing businesses and keeping costs in check.
I suspect many look forward to his new endeavors of which we can't discuss here
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I don’t see Tesla with one new product in 7 years as being nimble.
He won my respect for him back as a result. But I won't be buying any of his cars.
LOLNo, either will I. The style is not for me, but obviously it works for others, at least for the present time. It will be interesting to see if General Motors puts a dent in Tesla sales. I suspect that electric vehicles in general will languish in sales until prices come down if ever across the board.He won my respect for him back as a result. But I won't be buying any of his cars.
Except for some uses, there is no across-the-board reason to buy an electric vehicle. I feel they should actually be less expensive then gasoline for mass adoption.
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We really need less intentionally premium priced EVs with good range in segments people want. So far I'd say that GM has the best position on that. You have the short range city cars from other manufacturers that really aren't that cheap so now they're giving them away in leases or you have all the manufacturers intentionally making luxury options or making the focus on speed. Specialty buyers are interested in that, but I don't think the average consumer cares about any of that.
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EVs suck and are not convenient at all compared to ICE vehicles!
Like having to wait around for the battery to charge when on a road trip when I can fuel up with gas in 5 minutes or less and be one my way (much safer)... not to mention EVs under perform in really cold weather which makes them unreliable and unsafe at a time when one needs a car they can count on.
Concerning alternatives to ICE, Toyota and a couple other manufacturers are testing cars that produce their own hydrogen with engines that run on hydrogen that produce nothing but water out the tailpipe and when these come to the market it will be the end of EV as they will be obsolete against this new upcoming technology
Then the EV folks won't be able to give their EVs away
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I'm a skeptic on some things, but this reads like a marketing campaign, bwahaha. Honestly don't believe hydrogen will ever make it into mass transportation due to the cost to refuel, serious lack of support as in stations to do that and public acceptance. What about the risks involved with the pressure involved or DIY type repairs? People keep looking for some pixie dust that will save the planet in every single way and it just doesn't exist!
They need a sexy coupe with 850 horsepower so I can buy one.
I’m still trying to figure how people justify trading for the new model. I can see having an early Model 3 and getting a Highland, a number of things changed. There’s people trading first year Model Ys for new Model Ys and the new one isn’t out yet. I sure don’t get that.
When I think of EVs I think of the perfect vehicle to drive for the whole warranty period. Any less and you’re just going to eat up your gas savings in depreciation.
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Hydrogen fuelling infrastructure is in decline. Shell recently shuttered all their stations in California. Hydrogen is a very challenging product to work with and most of it is made from methane reformation, meaning it isn't "zero emissions" either, the emissions are just embedded in the product.
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IMO - More likely in “fixed” applications than mobile …
The issue is that originally earlier this year the Foundation Series wask 120k, the Cyberbeast was 100k. When the Foundation Series was ended Tesla raised the Cyberbeast to 120k and the one under it to 100k. Then add the range extender is delayed till mid 2025 and it was leaked that it will have less capacity and the price is going up significantly. Honestly I've never seen a group of people that have put up with terrible customer service, having to reach out to Musk on X about not one but two Cybertrucks failing, being given a third. Every manufacturer has a lemon but it's like Tesla is trying really hard to crank out a terrible vehicle. Most automotive manufacturers have test drivers for their premium models to put each one through its paces and sign off.
