Tesla enables driver camera monitor - about time!

[JeffKeryk]

The latest OTA update uses the cabin camera to keep an eye on the driver. It's about time.
Drivers going to great lengths to trick the car into thinking they are using AP correctly are idiots and should be treated as criminals.
I cannot understand their dangerous behavior. Who do they think they are?

Maybe I will test it... Perhaps look down at my cell phone and see what it does.
Probably alert the Ploice and drive itself straight to the pokey...

Camera based driver monitor

 

[Barkleymut]

What about the criminals that are going 56 in a 55 zone?

 

[BISCUT]

Reminds me of the stern warnings Elon has given us all about the future of AI. No thank you, Sir, there are enough cameras on me already. I'm not interested in paying for another to "keep an eye" on me. I'm a big boy and made it nearly 50 years without my car watching me too make sure I'm a good boy.

I'm sure we could agree on many behaviors that should be labeled "dangerous." But what about the behaviors that are not universally considered dangerous? Who is the arbiter of what is dangerous and what is not? It's called a slippery slope for a reason. Lawsuits over XXX when the camera didn't do it's job result in the nanny state choosing ultimate risk aversion over common sense.

Can I ask your age? Asking simple because I see so many 30 and under who are willing to give up immense freedoms and from my viewpoint, do not see the perils of control that tech like this brings. I'm not labeling you with that but curious.

 

[Job]

The latest OTA update uses the cabin camera to keep an eye on the driver. It's about time.
Drivers going to great lengths to trick the car into thinking they are using AP correctly are idiots and should be treated as criminals.
I cannot understand their dangerous behavior. Who do they think they are?

Maybe I will test it... Perhaps look down at my cell phone and see what it does.
Probably alert the Ploice and drive itself straight to the pokey...

Camera based driver monitor

GM the 100 year old guys, thought of this before, not after. That’s a big difference experience makes.
You should test it, because still, well we know why.

 

[Blinker]

GM the 100 year old guys, thought of this before, not after. That’s a big difference experience makes.
You should test it, because still, well we know why.

I can assure you, Tesla thought of this along time ago too. It has nothing to do with experience. The issue comes down to privacy. Many people take issue with being spied on….in your own vehicle.

 

[UG_Passat]

Like this guy?

https://sfist.com/2021/05/13/detest...ail-buys-another-tesla-backseat-drives-again/

 

[PandaBear]

It is just a way to prevent them from being a lawsuit target if someone gets killed. You don't have to sign up for their half self driving and get monitored, you can just buy the car and drive it like a normal car.

 

[Job]

I can assure you, Tesla thought of this along time ago too. It has nothing to do with experience. The issue comes down to privacy. Many people take issue with being spied on….in your own vehicle.

Experience is exactly this kind of thing. If Tesla thought of it they would have done it. GM knows much more. Privacy, right, a Tesla starts recording you if you come close to it. Since I have experience in the public charging world, unlike others here, I can tell you that is a very big invasion of my privacy. You can even hear the announcement recording is on. Not touching the cotton picker, just going close to it. So that argument of its privacy sounds like a defense, but it’s not true at all.

 

[PimTac]

Seems like a small bit of black electricians tape would take care of this.

Meanwhile back at Tesla HQ, monitors are watching drivers dialing for dollars or drilling for oil. Some here might get the reference.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Reminds me of the stern warnings Elon has given us all about the future of AI. No thank you, Sir, there are enough cameras on me already. I'm not interested in paying for another to "keep an eye" on me. I'm a big boy and made it nearly 50 years without my car watching me too make sure I'm a good boy.

I'm sure we could agree on many behaviors that should be labeled "dangerous." But what about the behaviors that are not universally considered dangerous? Who is the arbiter of what is dangerous and what is not? It's called a slippery slope for a reason. Lawsuits over XXX when the camera didn't do it's job result in the nanny state choosing ultimate risk aversion over common sense.

Can I ask your age? Asking simple because I see so many 30 and under who are willing to give up immense freedoms and from my viewpoint, do not see the perils of control that tech like this brings. I'm not labeling you with that but curious.

I am 68 years old.
The reason for the driver camera is for drivers who are using "Auto Pilot" dangerously. It is enabled when AP is being used.
Other manufacturer's driver assist systems do this... It is an important safety thing.
A few examples of people abusing AP: The jackass who gets in the back seat.
AP requires hands be on the steering wheel except for short periods. People come up with overrides.
Playing with your smartass phone.
A driver dozing off...
There are many more.

Also, drivers get into accidents and claim AP was driving the car. This has been shown to be false in numerous cases.

By the way, if you don't like big brother, I suggest you do not use a cell phone or the Internet, because you are being tracked.
It sounds like a Tesla is not for you. Tesla sends data back to the mother ship; they literally have billions of miles of real world AP driving data. This data is used to improve their cars. If you have the data, you will win.

I made a career out of data, data mining and analysis here in Silicon Valley. A company's data is one of its most valuable assets.
Here is a little blurb about Tesla and their data acquisition. I can tell you this real world data is worth many billion$.
They can even sell the analytics resulting from it to other companies or the government.
Real time traffic conditions sourced from millions of cars all over the world... Now that's an incredible asset.

My friend, you have been in the cloud for a long time. This is nothing new.

 

[Blinker]

Experience is exactly this kind of thing. If Tesla thought of it they would have done it. GM knows much more. Privacy, right, a Tesla starts recording you if you come close to it. Since I have experience in the public charging world, unlike others here, I can tell you that is a very big invasion of my privacy. You can even hear the announcement recording is on. Not touching the cotton picker, just going close to it. So that argument of its privacy sounds like a defense, but it’s not true at all.

You’re confusing experience vs risk.

And you’re comparing apples to oranges. GM’s Supercruise is a HANDSFREE driving system, as opposed to Tesla’s system which requires hands on the wheel. They are different technologies, it just so happens that people have rigged the Tesla software to drive “handsfree”. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Tesla’s launches handsfree soon. It really doesn’t boil down to experience, sorry.

 

[JeffKeryk]

What about the criminals that are going 56 in a 55 zone?

Shame on you. Go stand in the corner young man...

 

[DwightFrye]

Drivers going to great lengths to trick the car into thinking they are using AP correctly are idiots and should be treated as criminals.
I cannot understand their dangerous behavior. Who do they think they are?

Mr. Keryk, they think they are YouTube stars, or even dumber, "influencers". I call them a menace to society.

Blinker: when will this GM Supercruise system be fully operational ? By 2035 ?
If and when other automakers have an operational self driving or autopilot or whatever you are going to call it, my money is on Tesla licensing the data or most of the software to them. Tesla is years ahead in data gathering.

My new Jaguar has some type of driver monitoring system. It supposedly can tell by your driving if you are fatigued and then an icon that looks like a coffee cup comes up on your dash. I keep switching it off and it keeps switching itself back on. I think it has something to do with whether or not you have the Lane Keep Assist function enabled or disabled. I found it too obtrusive and switched it off. Maybe the car senses a driver drifting over the center line too often and that triggers the warning. Or it is just wonky British electronics.

I'm sure I'm already on plenty of other "watch lists" so one more doesn't deter me much.

 

[Blinker]

GM SuperCruise is already available on many Cadillac models.

 

[Blinker]

If and when other automakers have an operational self driving or autopilot or whatever you are going to call it, my money is on Tesla licensing the data or most of the software to them. Tesla is years ahead in data gathering.

Experts in the auto industry are already saying that GM is far more advanced than Tesla when it comes to the mapping software. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if GM starts licensing it’s map system for other automakers to use.

 

[UncleDave]

What about the criminals that are going 56 in a 55 zone?

Remember the comparison study where tesla got dinged for having " poor drive awareness"

This is what the industry wants and grades manufacturers on.

 

[Job]

All kinds of info on GM, and they had super cruise in 2017 for 2018 my. Which sort of deflates “but when will they come out with it”
None of it is for me, and as far as I‘m concerned there ought to be a law against all auto or whatever pilot.

https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise/coast-to-coast

 

[PandaBear]

Experience is exactly this kind of thing. If Tesla thought of it they would have done it. GM knows much more. Privacy, right, a Tesla starts recording you if you come close to it. Since I have experience in the public charging world, unlike others here, I can tell you that is a very big invasion of my privacy. You can even hear the announcement recording is on. Not touching the cotton picker, just going close to it. So that argument of its privacy sounds like a defense, but it’s not true at all.

Do I invade your privacy with my dash cam? So I can tell my insurance company and your lawyer that it is not my fault?

 

[BISCUT]

I am 68 years old.
The reason for the driver camera is for drivers who are using "Auto Pilot" dangerously. It is enabled when AP is being used.
Other manufacturer's driver assist systems do this... It is an important safety thing.
A few examples of people abusing AP: The jackass who gets in the back seat.
AP requires hands be on the steering wheel except for short periods. People come up with overrides.
Playing with your smartass phone.
A driver dozing off...
There are many more.

Also, drivers get into accidents and claim AP was driving the car. This has been shown to be false in numerous cases.

By the way, if you don't like big brother, I suggest you do not use a cell phone or the Internet, because you are being tracked.
It sounds like a Tesla is not for you. Tesla sends data back to the mother ship; they literally have billions of miles of real world AP driving data. This data is used to improve their cars. If you have the data, you will win.

I made a career out of data, data mining and analysis here in Silicon Valley. A company's data is one of its most valuable assets.
Here is a little blurb about Tesla and their data acquisition. I can tell you this real world data is worth many billion$.
They can even sell the analytics resulting from it to other companies or the government.
Real time traffic conditions sourced from millions of cars all over the world... Now that's an incredible asset.

My friend, you have been in the cloud for a long time. This is nothing new.

I was hoping to get somewhere with intelligent banter. I'm rather versed with spying tech having done more than a few cyber investigations in my past career. I am 48 years old and frankly, your soapbox is rather high for me, so I'm out. God bless ya.

 

[BISCUT]

Do I invade your privacy with my dash cam? So I can tell my insurance company and your lawyer that it is not my fault?

Largely regardless of your intent, a traditional dashcam used on public roadways is not an invasion of privacy. When in public you can be taped or photoed, etc.. What I would ask is how would that same sentiment play out if you lived within 100 feet of a roadside, and a person decided to stand in front of your home and take pictures or video? Sounds bizarre, and it is! But the same legal rationale that allows your dashcam would allow a person to do just that. All hours of the night as well.

Legal but creepy.