Terrible MPG from my Jeep lately.

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I had some Seafoam so I went ahead and poured some of it down the throttle body untill the jeep died.

Then one of the neighbor kids stopped by with an overheating Blazer. I let the Jeep sit about 30 minutes before I was able to start it.

How long will it take for the smoke to stop?
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This is terrible!
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Fan clutch seized? You'd notice, I'm sure. Hot brake?


Ah yes, a possible sticking caliper - good suggestion.
 
Originally Posted By: meep
check tire pressure all around
I forget to mention that was the first thing I looked at. Drove to work this morning and the drums and rotors were not hot.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Engine? Year? Model?
02 wrangler 4.0L


Just curious, what kind of plugs did you use? I tried platinum plugs on my 2000 and it ran terrible. Went back to Champion Copper plugs and it was fine. I'd also give the throttle body a good cleaning. Mine ran better and idled smoother after.
 
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Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Engine? Year? Model?
02 wrangler 4.0L


Just curious, what kind of plugs did you use? I tried platinum plugs on my 2000 and it ran terrible. Went back to Champion Copper plugs and it was fine. I'd also give the throttle body a good cleaning. Mine ran better and idled smoother after.

I've heard this in the Neon world too, I use champion copper plugs as well and my ignition does seem quite sensitive to gap. Slightly to large and it will misfire at low rpms under a heavy load. No codes ever but its very noticable with a 4 banger.
 
Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Chris, you do have it in "D" not "L" don't you ??
I refuse to own a car with an Automatic trans! I go 1,2,3,4,5.
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The plugs I put in are Standard Copper Core Champions. Same # that's on the under hood sticker. It's a well known fact on the Jeep forums that single Platinum plugs wont work on the 2000 and up 4.0l.
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
Converter starting to plug? Try a back pressure test.
I will put a vacuum guage on it tomorrow. One would think that a plugged or restricted cat would throw a code.
 
Is there any possibility someone might have siphoned a little of your gas? It happens sometimes. Do you have a locking gas cap?
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Is there any possibility someone might have siphoned a little of your gas? It happens sometimes. Do you have a locking gas cap?
No. Gas cant be removed by sticking a hose down the fill neck.
 
I usually get 35-37mpg on my car. Refueled in Cal and mileage fell to 29mpg. Gassed up in AZ and mileage went up to 33. Got gas at a no-name station which advertised "no alcohol" and mileage went to 40MPG.
This car has 80K on it so I track this sort of thing since new. The designer gasoline we get today has a GREAT efferct on MPG.

About 3 cents worth.
 
I see that your fuel mileage has gone down, but what about power? Have you noticed any lack of power?

A few things can result in a drop in MPG. Have you noticed any brake squeal lately? Could be that the slides need to be lubed.

I've owned my ZJ for a while, and have put about 50k on it since I got it (Has the AMC 242 4.0L). I used to be able to get 23mpg highway no problem. Then I began to notice a drop. I'd driven the 1000 mile trip from wyoming to IL 3 times, and each subsequent time, mileage dropped. I noticed on my OHC that cruising mpg was going down as well.

Fast forward a while. I move to TN. mileage is horrible now, at about 18-19mpg highway. One day I notice an instant drumming noise that almost sounds like a tractor trailer using the jake brake, only muffled.

I traced it down the a bad front U-Joint that caused the problem. You couldn't see it visually, and I couldn't get it to have any play when I moved the front drive shaft and yolk. Turns out only 1 of the bearing caps had gone, so the rest was fairly solid. I had been hearing a metallic ping noise sometimes when shifting back and forth between drive and reverse.

Not saying it's U-Joint related. But it seems if you've checked the engine and powertrain for cause and no findings, drivetrain/chassis should be your next location.

I also shimmed out my D35c back to spec. Sucker was getting really hot because I had .019" of backlash in the rear end. Wore the teeth down polished on the end. Nasty wear pattern, but no spun bearings. shimmed it down to .005" of backlash, and helped quite a bit with mileage along with the U-joints. That had to do with a lot of my mileage due to power loss in the drivetrain. I never noticed the gradual loss in power until I fixed these issues.

BTW, how are the o2 sensors running? the scope should show that the bank 1 sensor has a short sine wave, and the bank 2 sensor should switch at about half speed.

Also, what was vacuum at?

Another issue on the 4.0L is the cracked manifold that happens to virtually all 4.0L jeeps. A crack at the Y pipe which has a large enough crack can result in excessive oxygen getting to the oxygen sensor. Oxygen sensors are reading fine, but read excessive o2, thinking you have a lean condition, and dumps more fuel in to compensate.

What's fuel trims look like? or does you scan tool have fuel trim capability?

Good luck with the Jeep
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Originally Posted By: BetaBear
I see that your fuel mileage has gone down, but what about power? Have you noticed any lack of power?

A few things can result in a drop in MPG. Have you noticed any brake squeal lately? Could be that the slides need to be lubed.

I've owned my ZJ for a while, and have put about 50k on it since I got it (Has the AMC 242 4.0L). I used to be able to get 23mpg highway no problem. Then I began to notice a drop. I'd driven the 1000 mile trip from wyoming to IL 3 times, and each subsequent time, mileage dropped. I noticed on my OHC that cruising mpg was going down as well.

Fast forward a while. I move to TN. mileage is horrible now, at about 18-19mpg highway. One day I notice an instant drumming noise that almost sounds like a tractor trailer using the jake brake, only muffled.

I traced it down the a bad front U-Joint that caused the problem. You couldn't see it visually, and I couldn't get it to have any play when I moved the front drive shaft and yolk. Turns out only 1 of the bearing caps had gone, so the rest was fairly solid. I had been hearing a metallic ping noise sometimes when shifting back and forth between drive and reverse.

Not saying it's U-Joint related. But it seems if you've checked the engine and powertrain for cause and no findings, drivetrain/chassis should be your next location.

I also shimmed out my D35c back to spec. Sucker was getting really hot because I had .019" of backlash in the rear end. Wore the teeth down polished on the end. Nasty wear pattern, but no spun bearings. shimmed it down to .005" of backlash, and helped quite a bit with mileage along with the U-joints. That had to do with a lot of my mileage due to power loss in the drivetrain. I never noticed the gradual loss in power until I fixed these issues.

BTW, how are the o2 sensors running? the scope should show that the bank 1 sensor has a short sine wave, and the bank 2 sensor should switch at about half speed.

Also, what was vacuum at?

Another issue on the 4.0L is the cracked manifold that happens to virtually all 4.0L jeeps. A crack at the Y pipe which has a large enough crack can result in excessive oxygen getting to the oxygen sensor. Oxygen sensors are reading fine, but read excessive o2, thinking you have a lean condition, and dumps more fuel in to compensate.

What's fuel trims look like? or does you scan tool have fuel trim capability?

Good luck with the Jeep
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Power does seem to be down a little. The U-Joints have been replaced and theres no vibrations so I'm ASSUMING that they are ok at this point.

Vacuum was 16 and steady @ idle. Snap the throttle and it went to 0 then 22 when I let off the gas. I've checked other cars and they had the same vacuum at my 3100ft elevation. Revved up and holding the vacuum went to about 19 and stayed there w/o dropping. Cats not plugged.

In 2000 Jeep got away from the tin headers that crack and went to cast iron manifolds with duel exhaust that come together at the rear of the oil pan. These rarely crack, no cracks in mine........I'd hear that as I hate exhaust leaks.


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Fuel trims stay near 0. Usually +2 or - 2.

The o2 sensors are constantly changing and I cant keep up with them. .300,.420,.680,.220,480 etc.

Last night I walked past the empty jug of gear oil. Looks like I used 85w140 last time. That wouldn't make that big of a difference would it?
 
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Still chasing this problem. I Seafoamed it 2x and let it sit about an hr to soak the valves and rings.

Made tons of smoke.

Double dosed it with Techron.

MPG has improved slightly. Went from 11.5 to 13.2 and today 14.1. Still lower than normal.
 
Back to 10.7 mpg. I gave up and took it to a shop. They did many tests including a smoke test. The throttle body shaft is leaking and causing a huge vacuum leak.

Thinking that the computer is dumping fuel to compensate for the unmetered air as well as reading less vacuum. Now that it's been pointed out to me I can hear it hiss.

Gotta start somewhere and this is definatly a problem.
 
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