Tell me more about Fuel Power

novadude · Oct 16, 2003

Is this stuff really safe for constant use? What is it, exactly? I've read the report and posts, but I still do not have a clear picture. Is it a cleaner? Octane Boost? UCL? Anyone have any "success stories"? How much does it cost?

I am just wondering how effective and "old school" product like FP is when compared to Techron and other commercially avaiable products (I understand FP has been around since the days of leaded gas and draft tubes).

sbc350gearhead · Oct 16, 2003

Molakule......are you still using the outlaw in your brew?

UncleS2 · Oct 17, 2003

Fuel Power is a cleaner, combustion enhancer, works well with gasoline, possibly even better with diesel. Definitely safe for continuous use- it's been in every tank except one in my car for the past 10-11 months- well over 20,000 miles.

Octane: In some cars( like mine) it seems to give a mild octane boost effect to gasoline. Chevron 93 plus FP= "hog heaven" for my DOHC Neon, plus I get a mileage incease of ~1.5 mpg(Context: say, from 33.5 mpg avg to a full 35 mpg avg). Some report being able to go from 91 octane to 87 with the use of Fuel Power.

Price: Last I knew, Odis had it priced at ~$22-$23 gal, plus shipping if required. Even with the small mileage increase, in my car, it pays for itself + a bit more.

UCL: yes, it has mild upper cylinder lubricant properties. Remember, doseage is 1 ozFP: 5 gals fuel.

Old school: if it works well & it's relatively cheap, who cares?

As far as I can tell, there's no down side to it at all. And it'll get your combustion chambers clean, & *keep* them clean with continuous use. The spark plugs I pulled recently had well over 30,000 miles on them, plain old Champion Coppers, & looked great.

For a real double-whammy for your engine, consider using Lube Control in the oil, Fuel Power in the tank.

[ October 17, 2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Stuart Hughes ]

MolaKule · Oct 17, 2003

sbc,

I only use Outlaw for racing or in the dead heat of summer on long trips.

sbc350gearhead · Oct 17, 2003

Molakule......Do you still think that the outlaw decreases valve recession? Do you just not think you need the outlaw in the winter, or is it something else?

MolaKule · Oct 17, 2003

FP is fuel system cleaner, fuel stabilizer, UCL, and provides extra combustion energy.

I get a mileage increase when I mix 3 qts. of FP with 1 quart of Schaeffer's Neutra and use at 1 oz. per 5 gallons.

W8liftr · Oct 19, 2003

ttt

The same questions also occurred to me, sbc. Hopefully Mola will see this. I also noticed that the treatment amount was increased with the brew that doesn't contain Outlaw.

Robbie Alexander · Oct 20, 2003

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Originally posted by novadude:
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I am just wondering how effective and "old school" product like FP is when compared to Techron and other commercially avaiable products *-*-*-

Hey, don't let them Oldies but goodies fool you.
Besides I'm sure (talking through my hat with no facts) that they have tweeked the formula from time to time.
Most OTC products that are around everywhere, are much like the much watered down versions of products like this and others supplied by "smaller" companies. Products I have seen and used with as little as a few ounces are as strong or stronger and usually safer than the OTC ones.
Usually the OTC ones cost more and have harsher things in them because its cheaper to make... JMO

MolaKule · Oct 20, 2003

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Molakule......Do you still think that the outlaw decreases valve recession? Do you just not think you need the outlaw in the winter, or is it something else?

Yes I do, especially for older engines without hardenend valve seats.

For summer I needed a fuel with better octane ratings than found in this area, so I added the Outlaw to help boost it. Higher octane fuel allows a cooler running engine in the summer. 87 Octane is fine for the winter since your engine will heat up faster with lower octane fuel.

Someone asked me for a brew that contained no MMT so I published the Neutra/FP mix without MMT and increased the treament rate.

The non-MMT brew was 1 quart Neutra to 3 quarts FP and 2 oz. per 5 gallons. The MMT-added brew was 1 oz. per ten gallons.

Terry · Oct 20, 2003

On FP usage I am seeing great analysis results using the product to lower nitration and insolubles readings.

I am experimenting with lower dosages for a engine that has used the product for a while ( 2 or 3 months of driving) to a plateau or stabilization in the readings mentioned above.

I then lower to 1/2 ounce (and lower) per 5 gallons until I see MPG drop or a rise in Nox or insolubles and bump back to the low dose.

Once an engine Fuel system and CC is clean we can moderate the use and NOT allow build up if fine tuned dosages are used.

FP really adds the solvency that is missing in our current fuel formulations at a very affordable price.

I haven't tried the nuetra mix version Mola has but I will.

As far as telling all about what is in the chemistry, can't do that for proprietary reasons.

read this to help inform; www.bobistheoilguy.com/brochures/lc.pdf

Is sure is reasonably priced and effective.

Terry

[ October 21, 2003, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Terry ]

MolaKule · Oct 21, 2003

Correction:

quote:

The non-MMT brew was 1 quart Neutra to 3 quarts FP and 2 oz. per 5 gallons. The MMT-added brew was 1 oz. per ten gallons.

That sentence should have read:

The non-MMT brew was 1 quart Neutra to 3 quarts FP and the dosage rate was 1 oz. per 5 gallons. The MMT-added brew was 1 quart Neutra to 3 quarts FP with 3.5 oz. Outlaw and the dosage rate was 1 oz. per ten gallons.

As soon as Terry completes his testing, we will issue a recommenmded dosage table for FP.

Terry · Oct 21, 2003

Thanks for the diesel perspective 59 Vetteman !

I posted some independent lab ASTM tests to help those with Diesels make an informed decision about using this great product.

I do throw out testing like that here periodically but I've seen no one comment on this.

I really don't know why the fuel companies aren't buying FP in bulk and adding it at the rack.

TD

[ October 21, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Terry ]

mikep · Oct 21, 2003

So the FP product is supposed to be used with every tankful? Even on relatively new vehicles? I've always added a 20 oz. Techron to the tank with each service interval (3,000 miles on Taurus, 5,000 on F-150)....how would FP make a difference? And using all the time....I can just see trying to get wifey to do that. I may as well ask our lab to do it, be about the same chance of it happening.

Aside from the cost of the two products, Techron being way more expensive but used infrequently, is there any significant difference between the two performance wise?

Mikep

SteveD2 · Oct 21, 2003

Does anybody know what the main ingredients are in this? Just curious...

MolaKule · Oct 21, 2003

quote:

FP really adds the solvency that is missing in our current fuel formulations at a very affordable price.

I haven't tried the nuetra mix version Mola has but I will.

As far as telling all about what is in the chemistry, can't do that for proprietary reasons.

Zmoz,
As Terry stated, it's proprietary. That means we cannot release the materials or the proportions of materials.

Bio-T · Oct 21, 2003

Terry,
I know this thread is mostly about gasoline engines, but the use of FP in diesel fuel can achieve great results. Diesel fuel is normally very dirty, contains water and contaminants. George at AVLube did a test on many different diesel fuels and they were terrible. Now with diesel fuel being blended for winter, the rate of poor fuel remains.
I use the FP in my 01 Ford PSD at the rate of 1 oz per 5 gallons of diesel fuel. I use this ratio and do not vary it because of the fuel issues. Results after 4 months use, oil analysis was extremely low on wear metals, and no issues with soot or OXY of NIT. All were very low. The engine runs quieter, not the pronounced diesel knock I was getting and the smoke on start up has been eliminated.
I personally think on a diesel engine the recommended ratio of 1 oz per 5 gallons can be maintained through out the life of the vehicle due to the poor quality of the fuel. If I had a way to buy bulk and filter my own fuel, then a reduced amount of FP could probably be used. About every fourth tank fill-up I have started to add 1 ounce of LC per 5 gallons instead of the FP. I am very happy with the results with this method.

RichR · Oct 22, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by MolaKule:
As soon as Terry completes his testing, we will issue a recommenmded dosage table for FP. [/QB]

Yes Mr.Molakule I anxiously await the post with you recommendations.FP and Nuetra are enroute.
Thanks to you!!
RichR

sky jumper · Nov 20, 2005

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Terry: As far as telling all about what is in the chemistry, can't do that for proprietary reasons.

Terry - can you at least tell us why it is safer to use than other OTC "petroleum distillates" which have a reputation for eating away at rubber and plastic parts?

TallPaul · Nov 21, 2005

What is the advantage of the mix of 1 part Neutra 131 to 3 parts Fuel Power vs using either product alone?

GarrettSocling · Nov 21, 2005

A lot of very very good information. Someone should clean it up a hair, sticky it and lock it

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