I went and did an oil change today, I was at Walmart and picked up 4 quarts of the Tech2000 semi-synthetic 15w40 diesel oil. Is it any good? Anyone ever use it? I was reading the back label and it said it pours at -36 celcius. I wanted a heavier diesel oil because I thought it might help my worn engine work a bit better while at the same time keep it a bit cleaner inside, and with the semi synthetic formulation help it pump better at lower temps. Total cost for 4 quarts of this oil plus a Fram doublegard PH8A filter (I know what you're gonna say!) was $18.32, tax included. I really don't know what possessed me to do an oil change today, when I think about it I didn't need one.
Tech2000 semi-synth 15w40 diesel oil any good?
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Why not Esso XD-3 0W-40.... Reputed to be the best buy in Canada. I wouldnt think that the cold pumping / cold cranking specs on that Semi-Synthetic would be any better than any other 15W... If it was it would be a 10W...
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I would have gone with the XD-3, but I didn't want to spend more than 20 bucks total, and seeing as how I'm probably going to sell the car in a month anyway, I didn't see the need to spend any more than I did.
BTW, my car is a 93 3 cylinder Geo Metro with 260000 kms, or 161000 miles. Motor isn't much good, rings are a bit worn, and I have a burned valve, which gives me bad compression on that particular cylinder, dry compression test cylinder 1: 145 psi, 2: 142 psi, 3: 90 psi.
I never see engine problems due to the valves anymore......Except on these motors.
I believe the 3 cylinder motors burn valves because of bad EGR systems, mostly in the EGR valve itself. These engines run quite lean, and they need the EGR to cool the combustion chamber and keep the valves from burning up, so if the EGR system isn't working, plugged up with carbon or something else, the lean mixture burns hot and erodes the valve away.
I was doing some searching through this place and the only threads I can find on the Tech2000 semi-synth 15w40 refer to the oil having the older CH-4 rating. On the back of this quart I bought yesterday says it's CI-4 rated. I wonder if this stuff will get the CI-4 Plus rating somewhere down the road.
What Gene K says, 0-40 XD3 may still be on sale for $4.00 litre, I have 12 litre OCI and I wouldn't put anything else in in future.
I did use this Tech2000 15-40 semi this spring past, here is Analysis:
copper 0
iron 5
Cr 0
lead 1
al 1
silicon 23
mo 0
sodium 0
tin 1
zinc 1463
calsium 3257
mag 39
phosforus 1246
w nil
f nil
g nil
soot 74
OXI 27
nit 32
sul 31
vis 14
pretty good vis.
1992 Cummins diesel, 5500 kms OCI
Soot was high, 0 soot with Duron 15-40 dino, I expect 0-40 to be low on soot and high on visc too, it starts at around 15.7 visc.
One dollar per litre difference on XD3 O-40 to this Tech2000 semi, -48C to -36C for one dollar plus full syn content in XD3 is worth 4 dollars in my opinion, especially on a 4 litre change. I am told by my bulk agent that everyone rants and raves about lower oil consumption with 0-40 XD3 syn oil.
Hope this analysis helps some 55.
Cyprs
I did use this Tech2000 15-40 semi this spring past, here is Analysis:
copper 0
iron 5
Cr 0
lead 1
al 1
silicon 23
mo 0
sodium 0
tin 1
zinc 1463
calsium 3257
mag 39
phosforus 1246
w nil
f nil
g nil
soot 74
OXI 27
nit 32
sul 31
vis 14
pretty good vis.
1992 Cummins diesel, 5500 kms OCI
Soot was high, 0 soot with Duron 15-40 dino, I expect 0-40 to be low on soot and high on visc too, it starts at around 15.7 visc.
One dollar per litre difference on XD3 O-40 to this Tech2000 semi, -48C to -36C for one dollar plus full syn content in XD3 is worth 4 dollars in my opinion, especially on a 4 litre change. I am told by my bulk agent that everyone rants and raves about lower oil consumption with 0-40 XD3 syn oil.
Hope this analysis helps some 55.
Cyprs
Heh, if I could drain my oil back into the bottles and take it back I would, but I don't think they'd accept it
Iike I said earlier, I probably won't be keeping this car much longer, I'm trying to sell it so I can get a good car, something like a Honda or Toyota.
Good luck with your car search 55, when you find a good Import you may want to keep the 0-30 XD3 syn oil in mind, its cost is $3.71. I just put it in my 03 Altima with 20k kms, great oil, it has better visc, 30% more tbn and -48C flow rate compared to many $6 - $8 dollar litre syn oils, it out performs 5-30 syn and dino oils in heat and cold operations, most imports will advice 5-30, this XD3 rules at 0-30. My Nissan dealership fully endorses 0-30 XD3 year round and it gets 40C above where I live, they agree it outperforms 5-30 oils in add pack, visc at high temp and cold flow rate, and especially price.
Cyprs
Cyprs
On firther inspection of the quart bottle I have left, I see the word Vulsay stamped into it. Some quick Googling brings up Vulsay Industries Ltd, now a division of The Delta/Olympic Companies (got that off their website of Brampton, Ontario. They don't say specifically, but they do say that they are a "Recognized leader in contract packaging". Walmart is listed as one of their customers. Doubt this whole thing means anything, but I thought it was interesting.
55
I would not worry about using Walmart oil in your car. Can you do better? Sure! Is better more cost effective in your application?
That pour point is pretty good. Schaeffer's sets the bench mark for synthetic blends and their pour point is -42*c.
I would not worry about using Walmart oil in your car. Can you do better? Sure! Is better more cost effective in your application?
That pour point is pretty good. Schaeffer's sets the bench mark for synthetic blends and their pour point is -42*c.
This summer I called Walmart Canada on who made Tech2000 oil, they told me to call my local Wallyworld auto manager, I called two managers at separate stores.
Manager #1: Tech2000 is Quaker State, Q.S. owned by Penzoil, (I now read in forums that Penzoil is owned now by Shell?)
Manager #2: Tech2000 was Q.S. as of last Sept it is SafetyKleen, he said SafetyKleen is affiliated with Esso and Tech2000 is Esso, (I dont swallow the Esso part)
My belief, I think Tech2000 is SuperTech from the south bottled by whoever up here will do the cheapest or buy whoever will process it to Walmarts lable specs the cheapest. I also have been told by one Wally auto rep that all dino Tech2000 is recycled, (I dont know if SuperTech is?) This rep did not know if the syn oils were, thing is, I bet dollars to donuts the semi-syn dino content is recycled. I dont want someone elses oil in my engines anymore and I dont care what the eviromentalist say on that one.
I have used the full syn T2000 5-30 in my car, wont anymore, I have also used 15-40 semi syn in diesel, again I wont. Reason, you will never know who makes it, and by time you do, they will have gone to another cheaper supplier by then.
I go to Esso because I know where the oil is from and Esso stands behind their products, ranchers and farmers in my area will vouch for that.
I am in Wallyworld continuously, no longer the oil section unless I am in hunt for reputable name brand sources I can trust, buyer beware on unknown lables or sources I guess. My brother in law puts Tech2000 dino recycled oil in his John Deere all year round and swears by it because mostly it is cheap, engines are 12,000 dollars plus in a diesel, cheap oil is futile compared to engine rebuilds in my opinion.
Cyprs
Manager #1: Tech2000 is Quaker State, Q.S. owned by Penzoil, (I now read in forums that Penzoil is owned now by Shell?)
Manager #2: Tech2000 was Q.S. as of last Sept it is SafetyKleen, he said SafetyKleen is affiliated with Esso and Tech2000 is Esso, (I dont swallow the Esso part)
My belief, I think Tech2000 is SuperTech from the south bottled by whoever up here will do the cheapest or buy whoever will process it to Walmarts lable specs the cheapest. I also have been told by one Wally auto rep that all dino Tech2000 is recycled, (I dont know if SuperTech is?) This rep did not know if the syn oils were, thing is, I bet dollars to donuts the semi-syn dino content is recycled. I dont want someone elses oil in my engines anymore and I dont care what the eviromentalist say on that one.
I have used the full syn T2000 5-30 in my car, wont anymore, I have also used 15-40 semi syn in diesel, again I wont. Reason, you will never know who makes it, and by time you do, they will have gone to another cheaper supplier by then.
I go to Esso because I know where the oil is from and Esso stands behind their products, ranchers and farmers in my area will vouch for that.
I am in Wallyworld continuously, no longer the oil section unless I am in hunt for reputable name brand sources I can trust, buyer beware on unknown lables or sources I guess. My brother in law puts Tech2000 dino recycled oil in his John Deere all year round and swears by it because mostly it is cheap, engines are 12,000 dollars plus in a diesel, cheap oil is futile compared to engine rebuilds in my opinion.
Cyprs
Ya think XD-3 synthetic 0w40 would be a good choice for my 93 Altima? I won't be able to change the oil for a while, I won't be putting the car on the road for a few weeks, I paid 500 for the car and it cleaned me right out, I was 'sposed to pay some bills with this money but I wanted that car! It's got 352000 kms on it, that's a bit high right? I hear the KA24DE shears oil badly, I guess the 0w40 XD-3 wouldn't shear down too badly I hope.
Wow, thanks for alll the info! That answered every question I had. XD-3 0W30 will be going in my car just as soon as I do an oil change. Do you have any oil filter recommendations? How's an OEM nissan filter?
55, these Nissan motors has a steel timing chain, I am sure the 94 probably does too, not sure though. These timing chains are scheduled to be done at 320k kms. Many dont do it and get away with it, my Nissan salesmans is going to use this 0-30 XD3 to quiet down his Nissan Maxima time chain, his engine has over 300,000 kms, he and my Nissan service manager are extremely impressed with this 0-30 100% syn oil in XD3, it surpasses all 5-30 and 10-30 Esso dino and syn oils in SL/gas rated 5/10-30w oils.
Nissan's oil of choice recomendation is 5-30, 0-30 XD3 will give you higher temp visc than 5/10-30 and -9C better flow rate.
I am now using 0-30 XD3 syn in my 19,000 kms 03 Altima, great oil. I have been warned in these forums not to use the 0-40 in a small engine, these Nissans have tight clearances, the 0-40 may be two thick, one poster in here said he used a 40 weight oil in an older Maxima and it made the engine sluggish and was too thick.
The 0-30 XD3 is $3.71 litre, 0-40 XD3 is 4.20 litre. The 0-30 has TBN of 12.2 as does the 0-40, 5-30 and 10-30 Esso Superflo have TBN of only 8.6, should be lots of shear protection in 0-30 or 40. Both 30 & 40 oils has pour point of -48 C or -57F. A premium 0/5-30/40 dino oil will cost you up to $4.99 like Can Tire Q.S. winter oil and it is semi-blend with no where near the TBN, Flow rate. XD3 0-30 will do the job for you 55, I would stay away from 40 unless you think you have lots engine wear and clearance will take a thicker higher visc.
I learned in this forum Nissans are demanding on oil, that is why I chose this CI-4/SL tough oil, it is a gas rated oil too. For $3.71 litre 55 you cant go wrong, get it from Imperial Oil/Primepro/Esso bulk dealears. I have heard this 0-30 is $5-50 plus per litre at Walmart.
Watch the lables on this XD3 at bulk plant, XD3 was semi-syn, no is full syn, there are still semi syn oils (old stock) get the full syn. On the lable of XD3 you will see a upside down red triangle with "synthetic" written, this is what you want.
I did a post on engine oil viscostities concerning XD3 in Gas engine oil forum, lots good posts in there on winter oil from others.
These Nissan 2.4/2.5 engines are the chev small block motors in Japanese engines, this 0-30/40 XD3 is tough oil at high temps and low, it will do you engine great, I will go 5000kms winter, 6000 kms summer, at price of this syn oil you dont have to extend your OCI. To note, many will use this XD3 15K to 20K in a diesel so it is tough but diesel will not be as tough on oil and these hard working hotter Nissan motors in my opinon. I will use this XD3 0-40 7K kms max in my diesel, at this price point it is not expensive to do less kms OCI, the filter only lasts 7000K max anyway and I dont want unfiltered oil lubing my engine with a bypass filter. XD3 is made by Mobil, Mobil took over Esso syn oil production. hope this helps your dicision, I know I will get 400K plus in my Nissan motor, they rule,been driving Nissan 25 years, never had a Nissan motor fail me yet.
Cyprs
Nissan's oil of choice recomendation is 5-30, 0-30 XD3 will give you higher temp visc than 5/10-30 and -9C better flow rate.
I am now using 0-30 XD3 syn in my 19,000 kms 03 Altima, great oil. I have been warned in these forums not to use the 0-40 in a small engine, these Nissans have tight clearances, the 0-40 may be two thick, one poster in here said he used a 40 weight oil in an older Maxima and it made the engine sluggish and was too thick.
The 0-30 XD3 is $3.71 litre, 0-40 XD3 is 4.20 litre. The 0-30 has TBN of 12.2 as does the 0-40, 5-30 and 10-30 Esso Superflo have TBN of only 8.6, should be lots of shear protection in 0-30 or 40. Both 30 & 40 oils has pour point of -48 C or -57F. A premium 0/5-30/40 dino oil will cost you up to $4.99 like Can Tire Q.S. winter oil and it is semi-blend with no where near the TBN, Flow rate. XD3 0-30 will do the job for you 55, I would stay away from 40 unless you think you have lots engine wear and clearance will take a thicker higher visc.
I learned in this forum Nissans are demanding on oil, that is why I chose this CI-4/SL tough oil, it is a gas rated oil too. For $3.71 litre 55 you cant go wrong, get it from Imperial Oil/Primepro/Esso bulk dealears. I have heard this 0-30 is $5-50 plus per litre at Walmart.
Watch the lables on this XD3 at bulk plant, XD3 was semi-syn, no is full syn, there are still semi syn oils (old stock) get the full syn. On the lable of XD3 you will see a upside down red triangle with "synthetic" written, this is what you want.
I did a post on engine oil viscostities concerning XD3 in Gas engine oil forum, lots good posts in there on winter oil from others.
These Nissan 2.4/2.5 engines are the chev small block motors in Japanese engines, this 0-30/40 XD3 is tough oil at high temps and low, it will do you engine great, I will go 5000kms winter, 6000 kms summer, at price of this syn oil you dont have to extend your OCI. To note, many will use this XD3 15K to 20K in a diesel so it is tough but diesel will not be as tough on oil and these hard working hotter Nissan motors in my opinon. I will use this XD3 0-40 7K kms max in my diesel, at this price point it is not expensive to do less kms OCI, the filter only lasts 7000K max anyway and I dont want unfiltered oil lubing my engine with a bypass filter. XD3 is made by Mobil, Mobil took over Esso syn oil production. hope this helps your dicision, I know I will get 400K plus in my Nissan motor, they rule,been driving Nissan 25 years, never had a Nissan motor fail me yet.
Cyprs
I use the Nissan Filter for warrantee reasons 55, the cost of a Nissan filter is about $3.00 more than a fram at Walmart, looking at the two filters I do see better construction in the Nissan filter. If your going to push the OCI longer than 5000 kms on this engine I would go to a Nissan filter, it you plan on 5000 kms OCI then possibly a generic filter will do the job. I go 5000 kms winter, 6000kms summer, these Nissans are demanding on oil as you mentioned above.
Nissan promotes their filters ofcourse, they do tell me the anti drain in them is better and the bypass if needed. Those 94 Altimas are really good cars, they are rated high in longevity and low cost to operate.
That 2.4 is a great engine. Good luck with it 55, post what you think of this 0-30. I have one curiosity, prior to changing your oil to this 0-30 check your full operating temp and then compare
the operating temp with 0-30 XD3 and let me know please.
I like this oil, I am sold on it.
thanks
Cyprs
Nissan promotes their filters ofcourse, they do tell me the anti drain in them is better and the bypass if needed. Those 94 Altimas are really good cars, they are rated high in longevity and low cost to operate.
That 2.4 is a great engine. Good luck with it 55, post what you think of this 0-30. I have one curiosity, prior to changing your oil to this 0-30 check your full operating temp and then compare
the operating temp with 0-30 XD3 and let me know please.
I like this oil, I am sold on it.
thanks
Cyprs
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