Talking with the boys about Havoline ProDS Lifelong

[Gawardawg]

Was just shooting the breeze with the boys. Talking oil changes and oil brands. Mentioned I was using Havoline ProDS Lifelong in my new truck. One of them mentioned if it was doable using it in a new vehicle. Talking mainly about the seals. I know it states good for new and high mileage vehicle's . What says the wise ole hive?

 

[ctechbob]

I used it from the rip in my 2020 Ranger right up till I traded it in last year. Worked great, and was the perfect amount for the change.

I've since moved on to the 20qt garage boxes of Valvoline Restore and Protect, not because of a flaw in the product, but I'm a '1 oil for all' person and like to keep just that one box around for everything.

 

[UGASpike]

Was just shooting the breeze with the boys. Talking oil changes and oil brands. Mentioned I was using Havoline ProDS Lifelong in my new truck. One of them mentioned if it was doable using it in a new vehicle. Talking mainly about the seals. I know it states good for new and high mileage vehicle's . What says the wise ole hive?

I reached out to Chevron last year and they said no issues using it in new vehicles. No downside.

 

[perkz]

I am a secret fan of the Havoline ProDS, interesting to note it did add SQ and ILSAC 7 certifications without any formulation changes and claims it still exceeds even those specs by a significant amount. Not your typical discount oil performance.

 

[perkz]

I am a secret fan of the Havoline ProDS, interesting to note it did add SQ and ILSAC 7 certifications without any formulation changes and claims it still exceeds even those specs by a significant amount. Not your typical discount oil performance.

Chevron makes its own additives, and its own base oil. Here is the AI summary. Though unpopular here:

Chevron primarily uses in its own products (e.g., Havoline, Delo, Chevron Supreme):

• Its proprietary Group II and Group II+ ISOSYN® base oils.
• Group III UCBO (Unconventional Base Oil): Used in Chevron-branded synthetic and synthetic blend motor oils.
• NEXBASE® Group III oils: Also used internally, especially in premium synthetic formulations.

Chevron maintains a vertically integrated model—supplying its own brands while also selling base oils and additive packages (via Chevron Oronite) to external customers.

My conclusion is that Havoline ProDS is a sleeper premium oil, that is the pride of the company, that isn't widely marketed, because that would cut into the business of it's customers for its additives and base oils, like maybe, the Valvolines of the world.

 

[Carlostrece]

Was just shooting the breeze with the boys. Talking oil changes and oil brands. Mentioned I was using Havoline ProDS Lifelong in my new truck. One of them mentioned if it was doable using it in a new vehicle. Talking mainly about the seals. I know it states good for new and high mileage vehicle's . What says the wise ole hive?

I assume you mean Havoline ProDS Lifelong? It's good oil with an odd name. I plan to use it in old cars. My cousin is now using it in his old Ford van.

I don't have any new vehicles. So I'll let others talk about using it in new cars.

 

[Carlostrece]

Chevron makes its own additives, and its own base oil. Here is the AI summary. Though unpopular here:

Chevron primarily uses in its own products (e.g., Havoline, Delo, Chevron Supreme):

• Its proprietary Group II and Group II+ ISOSYN® base oils.
• Group III UCBO (Unconventional Base Oil): Used in Chevron-branded synthetic and synthetic blend motor oils.
• NEXBASE® Group III oils: Also used internally, especially in premium synthetic formulations.

Chevron maintains a vertically integrated model—supplying its own brands while also selling base oils and additive packages (via Chevron Oronite) to external customers.

My conclusion is that Havoline Pro D/S is a sleeper premium oil, that is the pride of the company, that isn't widely marketed, because that would cut into the business of it's customers for its additives and base oils, like maybe, the Valvolines of the world.

In another thread it was discussed that Pro DS and ProDS Lifelong synthetic base oil is (depending on grade) 5-10% PAO and 90-95% group 3. It might also have some esters in it. It also has an excellent Oronite additive package.

I suspect the 0w20 and 5w30 grades have 10% PAO.
I suspect the 5w20 and 10w30 grades have 5% PAO.

ProDS (Advance Auto Parts) and ProDS Lifelong (Walmart and Amazon) are excellent oils, especially for the price. An unadvertised excellent oil. So yes, a sleeper oil.

I think it's better than any other oil in its price range. I think it's as good as the name brands' most premium API oils.

When you buy Lifelong you're paying for 5 quarts of premium API oil and getting a 6th quart for free.

 

[DCDG]

I hear it’s great oil for the price if I had need for that 6th quart I would run it new or older vehicle without hesitation

 

[SR5]

It's a great oil, and you will be fine, old or new vehicle.
When it comes to seal conditioners, API constricts you from above and below, so there is only so much wiggle room. It's a non issue.

 

[Ang]

I used it from the rip in my 2020 Ranger right up till I traded it in last year. Worked great, and was the perfect amount for the change.

I've since moved on to the 20qt garage boxes of Restore and Protect, not because of a flaw in the product, but I'm a '1 oil for all' person and like to keep just that one box around for everything.

Why? There is no savings on the 20qt box but it's harder to pour and measure.

 

[DCDG]

Why? There is no savings on the 20qt box but it's harder to pour and measure.

Maybe they're using something like this

that's what I'd do if I were vested into the bag in a box oil system.

 

[4wd]

Maybe they're using something like this View attachment 325802

that's what I'd do if I were vested into the bag in a box oil system.

I can see a future thread on cleaning those

 

[ctechbob]

Why? There is no savings on the 20qt box but it's harder to pour and measure.

There is when you buy on the Platinum program. And a pitcher makes the pouring and measuring a non-event.

 

[DCDG]

There is when you buy on the Platinum program. And a pitcher makes the pouring and measuring a non-event.

View attachment 325805

Is that total tax & shipping? if so 4.85 ish per quart shipped to the door is really reasonable.

 

[4wd]

I am a secret fan of the Havoline Pro D/S, interesting to note it did add SQ and ILSAC 7 certifications without any formulation changes and claims it still exceeds even those specs by a significant amount. Not your typical discount oil performance.

This is a safe space for secrets - anything else to share?

 

[ctechbob]

Is that total tax & shipping? if so 4.85 ish per quart shipped to the door is really reasonable.

Everyone pays tax, so I never include that when comparing prices, but $7ish tax and yes shipping is free.

 

[ATex7239]

I’d love to use some Havoline but that bag in box situation doesn’t do it for me. I like using the plastic containers to store and transport unused or used oil. Too much effort for my liking.

 

[Carlostrece]

Maybe they're using something like this View attachment 325802

that's what I'd do if I were vested into the bag in a box oil system.

My cousin uses an empty Maxlife 5 qts jug to measure Havoline ProDS Lifelong for vehicles with capacity less than 6 qts.

The only differences are:
1) An empty 5 qts oil jug is a free measuring and dispensing tool.
2) He has to pour carefully because there's no built-in spout/funnel in the jug.

If you can't reliably pour carefully enough, then use a funnel. I like to use a new paper snowcone holder (with tip cut off) for funnel. It's cheap (one cent), clean, and disposable. So no need to clean or store the snow cone holder/funnel. Just throw it away after use. I learned this trick from local Oreilly manager.

Also, paper snow cone holders can be folded flat when not in use. This allows you to store several (new, clean) snow cone holders in a zip lock sandwich bag in your tool box.

The empty 5 qt oil jug I use for measuring and dispensing stays clean because it's stored with the cap/lid on it.

Or you can spend money to buy a fancy jug with a built-in pour spout from Amazon, Walmart or auto store. But then you'll have to clean it after use, and store it where it will stay clean. That's a waste of money and is more effort, IMO. If gets dirty and you don't clean it well enough, then your new oil will get contaminated.

 

[Carlostrece]

I’d love to use some Havoline but that bag in box situation doesn’t do it for me. I like using the plastic containers to store and transport unused or used oil. Too much effort for my liking.

I repurpose empty one qt oil bottles to store leftover new oil. The leftovers are from 5 qts jugs. If I had left over Havoline from a 6 qts box, I'd store the leftover oil in 1 qt oil bottles. I have a collection of clean empty 1 qt oil bottles.

I'm currently using Maxlife bottles to store leftover new Maxlife Blend and leftover new Quaker State High Mileage Full Synthetic oil that's left over from 5 qts jugs.

My storage system would work well for leftover oil from a Havoline ProDS Lifelong 6 qts box. One of my cousins uses that system for storing his leftover Lifelong oil.

At my next OCI, I'm going to switch my cars to Lifelong.

However, I have a plan that will mean I will never had leftover Lifelong. My 3 cars need a combined total of 13 quarts. So if I change all 3 cars in the same month, I will have no leftovers.

I need 13 quarts as follows:
Two 6 qts boxes = 12 qts of ProDS Lifelong from Walmart $28 per box.
One 1 qt bottle = 1 qt of ProDS from Advance Auto Parts $9.49 per bottle.

I will have no extra/leftover Lifelong.

None of my cars use any oil between oil changes, but if they did then I could buy another quart bottle of ProDS from AAP any time. I will already going to AAP for Carquest Premium filters (made by Premium Guard).

 

[ATex7239]

I repurpose empty one qt oil bottles to store leftover new oil. The leftovers are from 5 qts jugs. If I had left over Havoline from a 6 qts box, I'd store the leftover oil in 1 qt oil bottles. I have a collection of clean empty 1 qt oil bottles.

I'm currently using Maxlife bottles to store leftover new Maxlife Blend and leftover new Quaker State High Mileage Full Synthetic oil that's left over from 5 qts jugs.

My same storage system would work with leftover oil from a Havoline Lifelong 6 qts box. One of my cousins uses that same system for his leftover Lifelong oil.

However, I have a plan that will mean I never had left over Lifelong. My 3 cars need a combined total of 13 quarts. So if I change all 3 cars in the same month, I will have no leftovers.

I need 13 quarts as follows:
Two 6 qts boxes = 12 qts of Havoline ProDS Lifelong from Walmart $28 per box.
One 1 qt bottle = 1 qt of Havoline ProDS from Advance Auto Parts $9.49 per bottle.

No left over oil. None of my cars use any oil between oil changes, but if they did then I can buy quart bottle from AAP any time. I'm already going to AAP for Carquest Premium filters (made by Premium Guard).

Yeah, you definitely got a system. Considering there are so many affordable and quality offers in 5 quart containers I just don’t see the need to develop a system for my situation.