Synthetic vs Petroleum
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If I was to quit BiTOG today and walk (not likely
) - I think one of the best things I have learned (and I have learned a lot) :
Good synthetic/petro blends can be GREAT oils. Not only because they cut the cost of full synthetics, but they can equal full synthetics in certain areas of real world performance.
I would not be running my 50/50 blend if I did not think this.
Good synthetic/petro blends can be GREAT oils. Not only because they cut the cost of full synthetics, but they can equal full synthetics in certain areas of real world performance.
I would not be running my 50/50 blend if I did not think this.
"Global companies that give away product to kill the competition..."
I hear ya, but it could be worse and ultimately that is the name of the game. M1 makes othere better through competition. And think if Chevron got the contract instead...could have been a Group III in the Corvette as factory fill.
Chevron makes PAO's and makes one heck of an oil, but they don't sell any with PAO in it that I'm aware of. Mobil does and took a large company to court over it. Mobil is a serious competitor. I applaud them for this and the reason I like their oil. It's top notch.
I hear ya, but it could be worse and ultimately that is the name of the game. M1 makes othere better through competition. And think if Chevron got the contract instead...could have been a Group III in the Corvette as factory fill.
Chevron makes PAO's and makes one heck of an oil, but they don't sell any with PAO in it that I'm aware of. Mobil does and took a large company to court over it. Mobil is a serious competitor. I applaud them for this and the reason I like their oil. It's top notch.
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I think there is a bit of truth in the article and a bit of defensiveness as well.
The truth is yes, select the oil for the application and if a blend does well, then this might be the more cost effective approach.
LE is defending their blending approaches in this article, which comes through in their language. But see the last paragraph of my response for one of the possible reasons.
There is one inaccuracy, there at least three major PAO manf.
However, PAO manf. are squeezing the little guys because they raise prices for those who don't consume enough PAO to "lock-in" large orders. And in some case, they are denying the smaller formulators certain PAO viscosites in lieu of their larger volume customers.
[ May 25, 2005, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]
The truth is yes, select the oil for the application and if a blend does well, then this might be the more cost effective approach.
LE is defending their blending approaches in this article, which comes through in their language. But see the last paragraph of my response for one of the possible reasons.
There is one inaccuracy, there at least three major PAO manf.
However, PAO manf. are squeezing the little guys because they raise prices for those who don't consume enough PAO to "lock-in" large orders. And in some case, they are denying the smaller formulators certain PAO viscosites in lieu of their larger volume customers.
[ May 25, 2005, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]
The major oil companies have to do something with all the motor oil. the companies go through many barrels of crude to get gasoline so guess what is left over.
Chemist's please chime in! Why can't reclaimed motor oil be used to produce fuel?Seeing how it is already used up for it's intended purpose and almost no one wants recycled motor oil in their car's engine?
Maybe because it has alredy been throught that process at least once? Because what do you look for in a motor oil, low volatility? This means that there is not very many high volatilty HC's left to extract right? Come on Man, think!
If yo uwant to use it for fuel, get an oil burner. I thnk if the processes got good enough, used motor oil could be recycled indefinately. This is not the consumption problem of the equation.
Hi Ted,
I missed this comment;
"Global companies that give away product to kill the competition..."
The real reason why the Mobil 1, 0w-40 is the OEM fill on for many high end, European vehicles...
Right "Dougems"???"
Teddles, if this is so why did they NOT go to the 5w-40 version if it is generally a better oilin their applications(as you suggest)? Will you ring Sindelfingen and Zuffenhausen for the reason Ted?
Just wondering Ted - I suppose you should advise the Elf Meister about why GC is used as a factory fill by BMW and VW etc!
Keep happy
Doug
I missed this comment;
"Global companies that give away product to kill the competition..."
The real reason why the Mobil 1, 0w-40 is the OEM fill on for many high end, European vehicles...
Right "Dougems"???"
Teddles, if this is so why did they NOT go to the 5w-40 version if it is generally a better oilin their applications(as you suggest)? Will you ring Sindelfingen and Zuffenhausen for the reason Ted?
Just wondering Ted - I suppose you should advise the Elf Meister about why GC is used as a factory fill by BMW and VW etc!
Keep happy
Doug
Another reason used motor oil is not a perfect fuel are the solids...ie metal and semi-metallic additives....better know and non-sulfated ash. Hence the dilution for burning in diesels.
Hi Pablo,
yes you are correct
This is the prime reason why oil choice for diesels is so critical
Some engines require high ash, some mid range and some low ash oils
The consequences of using the incorrect product is very well known in diesel engine circles
It eventually comes back to engine design philosophy and etc as we discussed here once before
Regards
Doug
yes you are correct
This is the prime reason why oil choice for diesels is so critical
Some engines require high ash, some mid range and some low ash oils
The consequences of using the incorrect product is very well known in diesel engine circles
It eventually comes back to engine design philosophy and etc as we discussed here once before
Regards
Doug
MolaKule
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It can be, but again, it's a matter of economics since the fuel yield would be very low.
In my view, it is better to re-refine it (not recycled) for lube base stocks than to make fuel.
MolaKule
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Chemical companies make these base oils. Do a search and you'll see Amsoil used to use diesters as base oils and NEO uses them now.
Different base oils and mixes for different applications.
My work truck (ford powerstroke) is serviced with Chevron Delo 400 full synthetic(PAO) 0w30.
I have confirmed this through the MSDS(the business unit that performs fleet maintenance is in my AOR) and through the bulk storage containers. This is for arctic duty BTW. Chevron is in the PAO business for certain. They also make a 5w40 grade delo 400 that is PAO based.
I have confirmed this through the MSDS(the business unit that performs fleet maintenance is in my AOR) and through the bulk storage containers. This is for arctic duty BTW. Chevron is in the PAO business for certain. They also make a 5w40 grade delo 400 that is PAO based.
Target used to carry Chevron synthetic for a few cents less than Mobil 1 and I used it. Then they put on close out sale for 1.99/qt. If you find it in a Chevron station its about 6 bucks a quart.
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