Switching to Synthetic & OCI impact

[SLCraig]

Originally Posted By: LarryOil
Originally Posted By: Jim 5
Based on your annual kilometers, climate, and desire to use a synthetic I'd run PP or M1 Nov. 1 to March 31st (5 months) and I'd run PZYB or another decent dino from April 1 to Halloween (7 months).

I have to admit I agree with StevieC, especially given the km's the car already has. If it were my car I'd use the above suggested 5/7 month OCI's with PZYB or equivalent. I've lived in Ontario and Calgary and I can tell you it gets quite a bit colder out here, and all my cars sit outside all winter. I've got used oil analysis to back up the fact that 5w30's do quite well in Canadian conditions.


I can get Formula Shell from Costco for 2.50 a quart. Is that good for a summer run?



FS was all I ran for quite some time (Same thing, from Costco) and it worked just fine. Go for it!

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
2 6 month oil changes with PP are better than a 1 year oil change with Amsoil or anything else.


Why would that be? Plenty of people go 12K, 15K, 20K MILES on Amsoil changing the oil annually - depending on the engine, driving conditions, etc. No sludge, clean engines and no more wear than 3K changes. It probably sounds like a better recommendation to do more frequent changes, but it's not an automatic thing.

 

[LarryOil]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: FZ1
2 6 month oil changes with PP are better than a 1 year oil change with Amsoil or anything else.


Why would that be? Plenty of people go 12K, 15K, 20K MILES on Amsoil changing the oil annually - depending on the engine, driving conditions, etc. No sludge, clean engines and no more wear than 3K changes. It probably sounds like a better recommendation to do more frequent changes, but it's not an automatic thing.


You post bring up a very good point. 1 year vs 6 month OCI. Based on your experience with Amsoil, do you mind me asking what you would recommend in terms of oil and filter for my situation?

Thanks!

 

[FZ1]

Yes it is automatic. 2, 6 month PP synthetic oil changes,1 in Fall and 1 in Spring, are better,for your car,than 1 annual change with any other synthetic oil. Of course that's just my opinion.Remember, FZ1 is good;FZ1 is wise.

 

[LarryOil]

Anyone have experience with Motomaster Formula 1 full synthetic (Formula Shell Synthetic according to the MSDS) offered at Canadian Tire? Its on sale this week for a good 10 bucks less than PP.

 

[Jim 5]

Originally Posted By: LarryOil
Anyone have experience with Motomaster Formula 1 full synthetic (Formula Shell Synthetic according to the MSDS) offered at Canadian Tire? Its on sale this week for a good 10 bucks less than PP.


Probably not quite as good as PP since PP is SOPUS' flagship oil. On the other hand, PP isn't going to be $10 better. Especially since you don't really need synthetic in the first place given your OCI proclivities. I'd go for it. Pretty close to regular prices on name-brand dino.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: LarryOil


You post bring up a very good point. 1 year vs 6 month OCI. Based on your experience with Amsoil, do you mind me asking what you would recommend in terms of oil and filter for my situation?

Thanks!


I would use SSO 0W-30, filter of your choice and change it once a year. You could also do this with most all other XW-30 choices from Amsoil as well.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
Yes it is automatic. 2, 6 month PP synthetic oil changes,1 in Fall and 1 in Spring, are better,for your car,than 1 annual change with any other synthetic oil. Of course that's just my opinion.Remember, FZ1 is good;FZ1 is wise.


At 7500 miles? No way. Explain why and how it's better.

 

[Warstud]

Just the guy to ask! Someone just said using the cheapest Amsoil will be fine for 7500 miles. What is the cheapest..the stuff they carry at the auto parts store?

 

[Pablo]

Lowest cost is the XL series. $5.20/QT PC. OK for 7500 miles.

 

[FZ1]

I'll make you the same deal. Please explain why and how one change per year is better than two changes per year.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
I'll make you the same deal. Please explain why and how one change per year is better than two changes per year.


So you really can't tell me why two is better than one, so you answer a question with a question. I will answer though, expecting you to do the same.

Given we are talking about 7500 miles and an engine similar to the above.

First of all I NEVER said one is better than two. My contention and my proof for the last 15+ years, is that it makes NO difference. The oil will be in great shape, the engine will be perfectly clean, and last just as long - but you will have wasted resources getting the oil, the oil itself and you will have twice the amount of the waste oil and filter.

 

[FZ1]

2x per year is better than 1x per year. The reasons are obvious.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
2x per year is better than 1x per year. The reasons are obvious.


Should be easy for you to list then.

 

[FZ1]

Sure. Cleaner oil with less contaminates and wear metals running in my motor. Cleaner oil over the winter with a change in the Fall. Repeat after me. My car is an asset;My oil is an expense.My car is an asset;My oil is an expense.

 

[Pablo]

Your car is a rapidly depreciating tangible asset. Oil is a relatively low cost expense that is mainly derived from an appreciating natural resource that should not be wasted.

The myth that somehow 7500 miles or anything over 3000 miles allows oil to accumulate toxic "contaminates and wear metals" is a figment of an overly fertile imagination. You have no proof of this, or you would have posted it long ago. So, with your logic, changing the oil every month must be really good.

My Volvo turbo had the oil changed every 10K miles. Sold at 280,000 miles. Engine was spotless. Current Volvo, 15K-20K intervals, 130K miles, engine still clean. Wife's 2006 Honda Odyssey, 12-18K OCI's - many, many, many customers 10K-25K intervals, engines spotless.

I really don't care what OCI you use, but when you say something like "2 6 month oil changes with PP are better than a 1 year oil change with Amsoil or anything else.", you really should have some back-up data.

 

[FZ1]

It's just opinion. Not a knock on Amsoil,which,from all the used oil analysis I've seen on this site, is a very good oil. I,and I think many others,would just prefer 2 changes per year vs. 1 change per year.

 

[Pablo]

I actually have no problem with that!

 

[FZ1]

Cheers.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
It's just opinion. Not a knock on Amsoil,which,from all the used oil analysis I've seen on this site, is a very good oil. I,and I think many others,would just prefer 2 changes per year vs. 1 change per year.


Doug's 90+K Km OCI's in his OTR diesels must give you nightmares then