Supertech Synthetic 10W-30, 1999 Toyota Camry, 5S-FE, 4572 miles
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I know I could rest assured with you as a wingman.
Thumbs up simple_gifts. Looks like sludge monster's lil' brother doesn't have his bad habits.
Thats funny...thats the same phone number I call for Shell technical support
I learn more here than I do in college... Well maybe... Either way - really interesting read -
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I saw SuperTech Full Synthetic 5w30 5gal container for $6.75. Bout fell over... Man, for Amsoil and Mobil - I spend that much just buying ONE QUART.
I think I will have to try this stuff - great report X72!
heck, even though i run dino in the galant, i'd run ST FS for that price!
I got a 2000 Camry 5S-FE with 74K miles and I plan to put this SuperTech synth 10w30 stuff in it.
Chimart out of Mobil one for several weeks now and it was half the price.
Chimart out of Mobil one for several weeks now and it was half the price.
Mannix, No offense intended but you have been pushing some in my opinon questionable products based on some "Uber Additive Package" that contains a little calcium! This is nothing new we were talking about over base calcium additives more the 3-4 year ago on this site. The product you are praiseing ST Synthetic has a seriously weak additive package! It could not even hold it's TBN for a 5 month 5000 mile OCI with 1 quart makeup!!! This car would have produced numbers close to or exactly like the ones it turned in with almost any brand of SM/GF4 oil.
I hate hype when it is unwarranted. Most of your post's read like add copy for diet pills with over the top praise and hype. Most of the products you promote as haveing the "Uber Additive Package" are weak as can be when compared to the true "Heavy Hitter's" like Redline,Fuchs Titan,Synergyn,Motul,Amsoil etc.......Even plain jane oils like Havoline have more impressive additive packages. All of your oils are going to have some calcium in them! It is the main additive for TBN and TBN retension.
427Z06,My statement about Havoline doing as good or better does not come from a data set made up of a fleet of test vechiles. It is simply observation from looking at way too many UOA's on this site of Toyota engine's in general. I hate and I mean hate hype. The GC hype was as bad as it gets but at least that oil put up some impressive numbers in everything it was ever ran in and UOA performed on. It also had decent TBN retension. That Walmart ST SYnthetic cost way to much for what you get! I think a passenger car oil should have better TBN retension then the Wesson my wife use's int he fat fryer!
I hate hype when it is unwarranted. Most of your post's read like add copy for diet pills with over the top praise and hype. Most of the products you promote as haveing the "Uber Additive Package" are weak as can be when compared to the true "Heavy Hitter's" like Redline,Fuchs Titan,Synergyn,Motul,Amsoil etc.......Even plain jane oils like Havoline have more impressive additive packages. All of your oils are going to have some calcium in them! It is the main additive for TBN and TBN retension.
427Z06,My statement about Havoline doing as good or better does not come from a data set made up of a fleet of test vechiles. It is simply observation from looking at way too many UOA's on this site of Toyota engine's in general. I hate and I mean hate hype. The GC hype was as bad as it gets but at least that oil put up some impressive numbers in everything it was ever ran in and UOA performed on. It also had decent TBN retension. That Walmart ST SYnthetic cost way to much for what you get! I think a passenger car oil should have better TBN retension then the Wesson my wife use's int he fat fryer!
I take no offense to your critisizm, but I want to point out, that I was ereferring to passenger car motor oils that are commonly found on store shelves, from the popular producers. In other words, oils you can find on the Wal-Mart shelves. And I was basing it on the Used analysis's that we have run, and the oils with the Lubrizol SM+ add pack, consistently show superior wear numbers. Just my $.02
But I will say this, I have done searches on this forum, and I have found that people who offer views that may be inconsistent with the so-called "experts" here, are routinely chased off. I guess that is what I am seeing here, by being reffered to as "selling diet pills". I guess another so-called "expert" speaks.
But I will say this, I have done searches on this forum, and I have found that people who offer views that may be inconsistent with the so-called "experts" here, are routinely chased off. I guess that is what I am seeing here, by being reffered to as "selling diet pills". I guess another so-called "expert" speaks.
Question? Is ST Synthetic labeled for extended drains? I suspect this oil is built for the average synthetic user. You know, Joe Mustang that changes his oil every 3000 mi.
Now if I am mistaken amd it says "Compare to Mobil 1 Extended Performance for up to 15,000 miles" I apologize.
Just because something is labeled synthetic doesnt mean its intended for extended drains.
Now if I am mistaken amd it says "Compare to Mobil 1 Extended Performance for up to 15,000 miles" I apologize.
Just because something is labeled synthetic doesnt mean its intended for extended drains.
Havoline,Chevron Supreme,M1 0W40,Motorcraft are all off the shelf oils. None of them are specificly marketed for extended drains and all have nice additive packages traditionaly and good TBN retension. If you look at these oils in 5W20 they tend to look even better. Rotela 10W30 is not a long drain oil and it has a decent additive package as well even thoughit is SM GF4. My point is that for $12 or more a gallon the ST synthetic realy is not that impressive. You can get RTS in that price range and it's resistance to shear,thickening and additive package are much more impressive. I understand that organometalic additives are not the end all be all since GC 0W30 does so good with such low levels and so does Fuch Titan. In the end though if the oil has no TBN retension what good is it? 5 month and 5000 miles is not that long of an OCI especialy by today's standards. Tropartic 5W30 cost less then ST synthetic and has turned in some decent UOA reports yet we do not see Tropartic being hyped beyound belief. So my problem is not with the wear numbers it is all about the lack of TBN retension.
I am not chaseing you off at all! If that was what I had in mind I would not have bit my tounge all these months!Just have not seen the drop dead increadable results from Lubrizol's SM+ additive package. I guess I am crazy for wanting an OTC $12 a gallon GIII synthetic to retain it's TBN to 6 months and slightly beyound. We have seen cheaper dino oils do just this so we know it is easily attainable for an OTC widely available oil to achive this not so great feat!Not everything that Lubrizol makes or puts out is great they do make decent as well! They are like anyone else and design to price/performance point.
I am not chaseing you off at all! If that was what I had in mind I would not have bit my tounge all these months!Just have not seen the drop dead increadable results from Lubrizol's SM+ additive package. I guess I am crazy for wanting an OTC $12 a gallon GIII synthetic to retain it's TBN to 6 months and slightly beyound. We have seen cheaper dino oils do just this so we know it is easily attainable for an OTC widely available oil to achive this not so great feat!Not everything that Lubrizol makes or puts out is great they do make decent as well! They are like anyone else and design to price/performance point.
Gene when did 5000 miles and 5 months become extended drain? When did 6 months or 7500 miles become extended drain? I am not expecting it to go 1 year or 15,000 miles.
G-Man, I was not knocking Lubrizol. I was just makeing a point that just becuase Lubrizol designed it or sell's it does not mean it is the best product on the market!They design many things for many people and price point always play a role.Lubrizol's bigest claim to fame in my mind is not their products performance rather their ability to partner with industry and co author a lot of paper's on tribology!I favor Ornite's additive packages personely but in the end it really does not matter much as long as they perform. I do not though think that ST SYnthetic in this case is performing like it should! I am not one bit sorry that my opion differs from every one elses on this subject matter I am just not impressed with that low TBN after such a short interval. If this oil was half it's current price it would be a bargin or if it's TBN retension was better. The wear number are great.
""and the oils with the Lubrizol SM+ add pack, consistently show superior wear numbers. Just my $.02""
That I agree with THO Oronite looks good to.
bruce
That I agree with THO Oronite looks good to.
bruce
are super tech and tech 2000 ( canadian ) the same?
Heck I would love to have a gallon or two of either companies additive package in concentrate form!!! I am sure that an once per quart of thie additive's added to my oil of choice would be great additive!!! I am a real stickler for TBN retension and decent HTHS! If an oil does not have those two things then their is little else that it can do to impress me!
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