SuperTech oil filter

gtm245 · Feb 24, 2004

Should I consider using a SuperTech oil filter? They have some of the best SPE and MPE ratings I've seen. Also people seem to say that they are well constructed. Right now I'm using its "cousin" a CHAMP filter. Is the ST better than the CHAMP in efficiency and quality? I'm paying a hefty price for the CHAMP, so would I lose anything by switching over the the ST? Thanks everyone.

BTW does anyone know the replacement for the ACDelco PF58?

jthorner · Feb 24, 2004

Personally I would stick with the AC-Delco filter if it were me.

John

PS You can generally get very good prices on GM factory parts (assuming you have a GM) from www.gmpartsdirect.com

pooter WS6 · Feb 24, 2004

The ST is made by champion labs, if I am not mistaken, the same company that makes Champ. Been using them on a 150,000 mile 91 honda accord with no issue's what so ever. If your worried, Do an oil analysis with the same type of oil and oil interval with both the champ and the ST. If your numbers are relatively close, then they are doing about the same work. I say reasonably close because of testing error, and differences.

T-Keith · Feb 24, 2004

The mini-mopar survey said that Champ filters have a weak element. I don't know if that's true or not, but SuperTech's element seems to be good. I think it would be a good alternative.

-T

gtm245 · Feb 24, 2004

Does the SuperTech have a lot of pleats and good construction? Is it agreed that the SuperTech is way better than FRAMs (does the ST have more media then the FRAM and better construction)? One thing I can't figure out is that it seems like a really good quality filter with a good filter media, but it's only $1.97. How can they be sold so cheap when they seem as good as filters that cost 2-3 times as much.

G-MAN · Feb 24, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by gtm245:
Does the SuperTech have a lot of pleats and good construction? Is it agreed that the SuperTech is way better than FRAMs (does the ST have more media then the FRAM and better construction)? One thing I can't figure out is that it seems like a really good quality filter with a good filter media, but it's only $1.97. How can they be sold so cheap when they seem as good as filters that cost 2-3 times as much.

Yes.

Yes (and yes).

Because Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world and they can pretty much tell a producer what they are going to pay for a product. That, coupled with the fact that they are probably Champion Lab's largest client, get's the price point down to where Wal-Mart can charge $1.97 and both they and Champion still make money.

gtm245 · Feb 25, 2004

ST says 98% SPE and 99% MPE. At what micron level is this? Is it the same as PureOne, FRAMs, ect...?

JohnnyO · Feb 25, 2004

Bought a couple ST filters this week to run an Auto-RX cycle on my wife's car, it looks like they're cutting way back on the ST shelf space to make the orange wall even bigger.

Ray H · Feb 25, 2004

Yeah, I noticed that, too, at one of my local Wally*Worlds... One thing about "Sam" - the chain goes with what sells, not necessarily what's better, and department managers abhor having stock taking up aisle space that's not moving fast enough.

gtm245 · Feb 26, 2004

Does anyone here frequentlly use the SuperTech with good results? Anyone have a high mileage car that has only had ST oil and filters?

seldont · Feb 26, 2004

I use the Supertech fairly frequently. You can see my UOA 97 Ford F150 5.4 Motorcraft 5w30. It did very well. linky

[ February 27, 2004, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: seldont ]

T-Keith · Feb 26, 2004

I've used Mobil 1 and supertech fitlers on my wifes car for a while now. I switch back and forth between Purolator and ST, depending on which I can get. Great experiences with both.

-T

ZR2RANDO · Feb 26, 2004

I use the ST filters on my trucks ST3980 (equivalent to the AC PF-52).
Quite a while back I had cut open a few different filters for comparison.
Both the Walmart/Champion and Kmart/Delphi versions of the AC PF-52 had 244 sq in, the ST3980 had 206 sq in .
I cut open another ST3980 the other day just to see if any changes, the new one had 225 sq in. (newer one had 60 pleats instead of 55 on the older one).
I will cut open the next few that I use to see if they have increased the amount by design or if it is just variation during assembly...
They look well made to me, definitely good enough for 3k intervals that I do.
Rando

Bill Kapaun · Feb 27, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by ZR2RANDO:
"... the ST3980 had 206 sq in .
I cut open another ST3980 the other day just to see if any changes, the new one had 225 sq in. (newer one had 60 pleats instead of 55 on the older one)...."

Rando

Makes a person wonder about manufacturing processes!
Possibly when they make a run of filters, the "media bin" is filled with a somewhat "generic" size (length X height) media and what ever group of filters that media will physically fit, within reason, (and they have orders for) will get that "batch" of media.
OR maybe the less common filters get a "more generic" media size. That is- run a batch of "common" filters and then finish the run with the less common size filters that can use that size of media even though it might not be the "best fit".

[ February 27, 2004, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Bill Kapaun ]

labman · Feb 27, 2004

That's interesting. In the PF 1177 equivalents, I found less filter area in the newer AC, ST, and Purolators. Keep chopping and reporting.

ZR2RANDO · Feb 27, 2004

The ST3980/PF52 is pretty common- S10 trucks and blazers and fullsize trucks with 4.3 V6..
Anyone else cut up any ST3980s to compare to these 2 for consistancy?
Anyone cut up other ST/PF comparisons to see how other applications compare between the ST and AC alternatives?

GROUCHO MARX · Feb 28, 2004

The AC Delcos and the STs are both made by Champion.

gtm245 · Feb 28, 2004

Hows the ST3675 compare to the ACDelco PF61? Anyone know?

ZR2RANDO · Feb 28, 2004

Champion does make the Supertech/STP/Bosch/M1/K&N and SOME of the AC filters. They don't make them exactly alike though. We are looking for actual comparisons of some of the equivalents...

[ February 29, 2004, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: ZR2RANDO ]

FL-400S · Mar 4, 2004

I just removed an ST 4967 from my tercel. Not a drop of oil came out. Usuallly with an STP theres plenty that drains. Makes me wonder if these ST filters dont have an ADBV or something? I have a motorcraft FL-400S on the tercel now, as a test run for a larger, non-spec filter. Hey, it threaded and fits, why not try it.

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