Supertech FULL SYN or NameBrand dino?

[FastSUV]

Is a full-syn oil always better to use or would you trust a name-brand conventional or synthetic blend over a "cheaper" full-syn? I know some say Super Tech oils have weak additive pkgs and others say they yield great UOA on Super Tech oils.

So it got me thinking that I would rather use a name-brand dino over SuperTech conventional, but Super Tech full-syn I am curious if it is just a better oil due to being full-syn over name brand dino?

I suppose since Super Tech full-syn has shot up in price in the 5qt jugs & Mobil 1 has gone down that it is not a good enough value to even have a real market...but I am still curious since it is still technically in between name-brand dino prices & name brand full-syn oils like Mobil 1 & PP.

gentlemen...discuss

 

[Quattro Pete]

I would probably go for Super Tech syn, out of the two, expecting that a synthetic oil would offer better cold start properties. Plus I'd feel more comfortable running longer OCIs with it.

How much is Super Tech syn anyway? If you catch a sale, can't you get a name-brand synthetic for around the same price?

 

[GMBoy]

St Syn isn't a bad oil. It's actually a pretty good value (as long as the price doesn't go up more) when compared to the name brand dinos. I don't use it but my dad does and I ran a used oil analysis and posted it here a few years back and even Blackstone commented that the ST did very well and is as good as the other oils but recommended NOT going more than 5-6,000 miles on it based on the TBN number at the 5,000 miles the oil had.

Me personally, I would use it over a dino if you are not into extended changes and want a synlube. However, I also don't trust the consistantcy of it's quality based on WalMarts cheap price ideals.

 

[Ken2]

Fast, what is your goal?

If you're going to stick with regular oil drain intervals, and aren't in frigid winter areas, use a top quality conventional oil. I'd rather have the quality and a cut-rate group III oil.

If you do want to extend oil drain intervals, or will be working that engine either very hot & heavy or in frigid winters, I'd use a top quality syn.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I gave up on "FAUX" syn after having poor results in my Rav and my Yaris with everything I tried (M1, syntec synpower, RP). I would recommend Rotella T 10w30 cj4/SM which is a pretty much "unversal" oil with strong additisation (about 50% more of everything than SM pass car oil) that should give you that 300K mile worryfree performance, that oil used to give a decade ago - and its under 3 bucks a qt to boot! Rnbbit in the snowblower lawn mower, light diesel, and pass car, truck. 5k OCI. You dont get wear metals/solids out unless you change the oil. REAL auto parts stores carry this stuff. If you can use a 40wt, RTS.

 

[FastSUV]

yeah I am not talking more than 5-7k or so...since conventional oils seem to be "safe" to 5k in most cases, and the ST seems to have the weak additive pkg, I suppose it is just not an "extended OCI" oil and hence no real reason to use it on a "standard" OCI...

I am currently using Pennzoil Conventional in the g/f non-DI 3.6L every 5k...my next fill to try is Mystik 5w30 syn-blend, but I was curious is ST full-syn could go longer than 5k and push it on up closer to fitting the OLM % I want...

 

[FastSUV]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I gave up on "FAUX" syn after having poor results in my Rav and my Yaris with everything I tried (M1, syntec synpower, RP). I would recommend Rotella T 10w30 cj4/SM which is a pretty much "unversal" oil with strong additisation (about 50% more of everything than SM pass car oil) that should give you that 300K mile worryfree performance, that oil used to give a decade ago - and its under 3 bucks a qt to boot! Rnbbit in the snowblower lawn mower, light diesel, and pass car, truck. 5k OCI. You dont get wear metals/solids out unless you change the oil. REAL auto parts stores carry this stuff. If you can use a 40wt, RTS.


I am actually going to be trying the Mystik 10w30 syn-blend in one of my rigs soon and VOA seems to show that it is a more robust oil than the Rotella-T 10w30...not saying Rotella is not good, but just saying that the Super-Heavy-Duty Mystik is what I decided to try since the Rotells 10w30 was much harder to find here. So maybe we are on the same thought lines..

As for the 3.6L discussed, I am going to try the 5w30 Mystik, but it is SM-rated and probably <800ppm ZDDP unlike the 10w30 stuff I got & the Rotella you are using.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

The rotella is over 1000ppm. CJ4 has a 1200ppm ceiling. JD +50 is best.

 

[Mustang_Cougar]

Four or five years ago, when Super Tech Synthetic went for ~$11 a jug, I thought it a decent value; I used it on a 6 month/5K OCI and beefed it up with an 1oz of VSOT per quart of oil. However, all the various rebates and sales on name-brand synthetics since then have changed my mind about Super Tech Synthetic. I don't know what it goes for now, but how can Super Tech Synthetic be a good value when you can score three jugs of PP for $15, after rebate?

That said, I guess it really depends on what your goal is. If I was trying to do extended OCIs on a budget, I'd just spend the extra money on PP or the slightly cheaper Quaker State Synthetic. If I was just doing 4-5K OCIs, I'd probably skip Super Tech Synthetic and go with whatever name brand dino is on sale at that moment. And if the that dino was still about the same price as a jug of Motorcraft, I'd just pick that instead.

BTW: Maybe I'll do a run Super Tech Synthetic and post a used oil analysis; I've still got a jug in the garage waiting for a victim.

 

[mrsilv04]

SuperTech synthetic is now Corvette (GM4718) approved.

I'd say that makes it "good enough", and I'd prefer it over any conventional oil out there.

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
SuperTech synthetic is now Corvette (GM4718) approved.

I'd say that makes it "good enough", and I'd prefer it over any conventional oil out there.


That's an excellent point.

 

[hpichris]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
SuperTech synthetic is now Corvette (GM4718) approved.

I'd say that makes it "good enough", and I'd prefer it over any conventional oil out there.


+1

 

[RISUPERCREWMAN]

I used to run SuperTech Syn in my old 94 Maxima VG 3.0 V6, at 140K miles, I had no issues with it.....

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
Fast, what is your goal?
He's trying to find an inexpensive synthetic to use in place of that Pennzoil conventional that's sludges engines with that waxy build up he's been wondering about here!

A good value name brand dino (like MC, Pennzoil conventional, QS) for me for 5k/6m OCI's. Or, with all the sales and rebates, name brand synthetic for extended OCI's.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
SuperTech synthetic is now Corvette (GM4718) approved.

I'd say that makes it "good enough", and I'd prefer it over any conventional oil out there.


That's an excellent point.

I guess you guys are not afraid of the dreaded SM. I am and have been devastated by it given my last 5 cars and trucks were TOAST in under 50k miles. So, its RT1030CJ-4 in EVERYTHING. NO comparison to ANY SM EC oil for Std 4-5K OC interval. I would NEVER do an extended OCI on SM EC oil. The EP will be gone in 2 k miles if you are an aggressive driver.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
The EP will be gone in 2 k miles if you are an aggressive driver.



What?!? That is totally screwed up and not true.

 

[el_zorro]

This is the first post, I have seen that claims that SM was that bad. Wow, 5 cars not lasting 50K miles since SM has been introduced. Thats a lot of hard driving. Good thing I have my stockpile of GC that isnt SM. We havent seen many used oil analysis that showed add packs gone in SM oils in 2K either.

 

[FastSUV]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
Fast, what is your goal?
He's trying to find an inexpensive synthetic to use in place of that Pennzoil conventional that's sludges engines with that waxy build up he's been wondering about here!

A good value name brand dino (like MC, Pennzoil conventional, QS) for me for 5k/6m OCI's. Or, with all the sales and rebates, name brand synthetic for extended OCI's.


Oh you rascal you...

I will preemptively assume you are meaning no offense. I explained myself somewhere in that thread, but wanted to hear the thoughts of others none the less so I posted it.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: FastSUV
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
Fast, what is your goal?
He's trying to find an inexpensive synthetic to use in place of that Pennzoil conventional that's sludges engines with that waxy build up he's been wondering about here!

A good value name brand dino (like MC, Pennzoil conventional, QS) for me for 5k/6m OCI's. Or, with all the sales and rebates, name brand synthetic for extended OCI's.


Oh you rascal you...

I will preemptively assume you are meaning no offense. I explained myself somewhere in that thread, but wanted to hear the thoughts of others none the less so I posted it.
It all good brah! Having some fun with you, but I couldn't resist.

And hear you did.

A "rascal" you say.

 

[otis24]

Where I live, Super Tech synthetic is $17 for 5qt jug. Pennzoil Platinum is $20 for a 5qt jug. At just 60 cents more per quart, I would opt for the Pennzoil Platinum.