Super mega "godzilla" El Niño this winter

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Originally Posted By: Al
Stephen Hawking was concerned about GW in 2007. The smartest man on the planet that has looked at it and can digest more in a minute than the 10 smartest people on the board should tell the deniers something.
http://350orbust.com/2010/07/23/carl-sag...arth-seriously/

Yea throw Carl Sagan who might be the second smartest person on the planet agrees with the GW threat. ...wait..I would rather believe Glen Beck.


Really not worth arguing with deniers.


Agreed.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
This may come as a shock to you but Quantum Mechanics that is accurate to 1 part in 10,000,000,000,000,000 and theorists are still refining it, improving it and in some cases discarding precepts. You would call that explaining missteps. BTW Quantum Mechanics is being used in determining the exact contribution of infrared and ultraviolet scattering of polar gasses like methane and CO2 to refine the GW results. You might know that this is the mechanism that causes man-made GW.


If you are equating quantum mechanics to the science of man-made global warming you really, really don't know what you're talking about. The body of evidence and the many, many intricate demonstrations of quantum mechanics have NEVER been duplicated for global warming, no way, no how not even close. It is ridiculous to even put those two subjects in the same sentence.

And putting up Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson as supporters is not helping your cause either, just saying. That also shows lack of understanding.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: Al
Really not worth arguing with deniers.


Agreed.


It's funny, but the arguing that is not permitted and will not be tolerated is with the believers...
 
When one of you guys produce a "model" that can stand up for 5 or 10 years let me know. Meanwhile I'll be blindly listening to Monsanto and FDA scientists about how good Roundup is for me.
 
Glad this winter is shaping up to be milder than the winter of 2014-15. Cold and snowy is fun, but last winter was extreme for both!
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Glad this winter is shaping up to be milder than the winter of 2014-15. Cold and snowy is fun, but last winter was extreme for both!


+1


Thank goodness!
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Meanwhile I'll be blindly listening to Monsanto and FDA scientists about how good Roundup is for me.

It is good! I just used some bona fide, genuine Roundup about an hour ago, and in the agricultural concentration, not that sissy homeowner stuff.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: hatt
Meanwhile I'll be blindly listening to Monsanto and FDA scientists about how good Roundup is for me.

It is good! I just used some bona fide, genuine Roundup about an hour ago, and in the agricultural concentration, not that sissy homeowner stuff.
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Do you take it with cream and sugar?
 
The fact is that scientific "theories" which are taken as
ironclad are continuously being DISproven as time and understanding progresses. Scientific knowledge is NOT infallible even though many have made it their god.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Do you take it with cream and sugar?

No, the weeds got to drink it black, no sugar.
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I'm looking forward to them turning nice and brown in a couple days.

GiveMeAVowel: That's what science is about. Scientists try to disprove hypotheses and theories all the time. That's what experimentation is actually all about. As a corollary to that, do you know who is disproving scientific theories all the time? It's scientists using the scientific method, collecting data, not conspiracy junkies (they're not real theorists, after all).

Yes, climate change is an exceedingly difficult topic, and there are legitimate experts on both sides (ignoring paid shills on either side). There is a reason that matter is being continually studied right now - because it isn't fully understood and they don't have a perfectly valid predictive model.

Obviously, they don't have physicists and engineers continually testing and refining F=mg, since that's well understood. It does make a great tool, however, to demonstrate experimentation and error analysis to undergrads, and if their experiment fails to demonstrate that relationship, the odds are astronomically in favour of them having screwed up the experiment royally.
 
First fact is that we are introducing CO2 into the atmosphere at a rate greater than nature can take it out.

That's indisputable.
 
Yes and why my place of work stated this the other day...
"If it is HOT outside and you are in stop and go traffic, turn off your AC because it uses 12% more gas. Only use your AC when cruising down the road ".
Garbage. I have a illness that makes it quite imperative to have the AC on. Heat makes it a lot worse. But these world champions want us to 1) live like its the 1970s before AC was commonplace in cars and trucks 2) do more with less and less and less 3) smaller houses 4) smaller cars and so on. This is not about the planet gaining 1.9°C in the next 40 years. It is about resource management. Can this planet sustain 10, 12, 14 billion people ? If more and more people live up to a western or US middle class to upper middle class standard of living will this planet have enough fresh water, wood, means to produce electricity,food production that can it really be feasible?? That's the real concern here. Not 1.9 to 2.4°C increase in forty to fifty years. So, this message is FAR easier to sell than telling people to have less children, you and your children will have to do with less than their parents or grandparents, that their house must be smaller, their vehicles be smaller and so on. I will say these are the real concerns.
 
If they want you to drive without your AC, perhaps they should buy you a convertible. Or, they could give you paid sick days when it's AC weather. Heck, stop and go traffic is where you're most likely to need the AC.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
First fact is that we are introducing CO2 into the atmosphere at a rate greater than nature can take it out.

That's indisputable.
How is that indisputable? 2/3s of the Earth surface is made up of CO2 absorbent. We have no idea if the atmospheric CO2 increases are not a result of the oceans warming and giving off CO2. It's not as simple as looking at man's CO2 output. Volcanoes have been spewing massive amounts of CO2 for as long as the Earth has been here.
 
What's indisputable is that the Earth's climate has varied widely throughout history before man could have possibly been a factor. Unless you understand everything about those events you're simply guessing about slight fluctuations of temps.
 
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Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Originally Posted By: buster
I used to follow Joe Ba-stardi religiously. I now find him obnoxious and silly.

Why?

The man knows his stuff. One of top meteorologists in the world. Some years ago, he predicted our current weather and that it was going to be a repeat of the weather in the mid to late 50's. I'm here to tell you that he was right. I was there in the 50's. I know.


I used to love his forecasting. Maybe I'm wrong but I just see him as being part of the Faux News crowd. Some of the thigns he says are just so ridiculous I've had to lower his credibility.
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Faux News crowd? Just say what you think.
 
Originally Posted By: jhellwig
What happend to the days when the weather was just weather? Why does everything have to be made out into this big drastic event?

I don't understand why everyone screams global warming when it is hot in the summer and mild in the winter and everyone screams global warming is a lie when it is mild in the summer and cold in the winter.


global warming is a political phrase. Climate change is real. It happens in measurable waves. It's an ongoing thing. Local climates especially, are influenced by city heat islands, and agriculture. Long term, it mostly evens out, but the reality is, the more people, the bigger and faster the climate shifts occur. Remove 10% of the people and you will be able to see measurable changes.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
What's indisputable is that the Earth's climate has varied widely throughout history before man could have possibly been a factor. Unless you understand everything about those events you're simply guessing about slight fluctuations of temps.


That's absolutely correct and not what anyone is arguing about.

BUT, now that man has come and drastically changed the landscape, maybe we are adding to climate change IN ADDITION to the normal cycles. Higher highs and lower lows. Because of what we do. That's what people should worry about.


We've been around for the blink of an eye in geologic time, yet look how drastically we have altered our world in such a short time. No species before us has made any impact compared to what we do.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Not only is global warming a farce, its a great outlet for the conceited to express their holier then thou attitudes.


global warming is a political tool used by the true delivers to bully society to their way of thinking. global warming has morphed into a true religion. A belief system and you better not disagree.
 
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