Suggest best car for frequent long trips

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Anyway...OP...since the Beetle's back at the shop, I guess a TDI Jetta is falling from the list quickly? Back to a Fusion Hybrid? We're getting 40+ MPG from ours in town. Very nice car.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703

This "wow, it's like you're driving a manual...well...sort of.." design is just an example of form being more important than function.


Hopefully it will go the way of digital dashboards.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Okay...

Anyway...OP...since the Beetle's back at the shop, I guess a TDI Jetta is falling from the list quickly? Back to a Fusion Hybrid? We're getting 40+ MPG from ours in town. Very nice car.
They'll never get paid back for the extra cost of the hybrid. He said frequent long trips. Let assume that means highway. We'll let LR do the math. Up here you can buy off lease 2008 low mileage Mercury Milan v6 for under 15K. Isnt that the same platform?
 
Ah yes. I could have sworn he said they were still looking at the Fusion Hybrid, but I see on the 26th that he said they did NOT want a Hybrid. My bad.

Yes, the Milan and Fusion are on the same platform.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Rule number 1, must be fuel efficient.
Rule number 2, must be comfortable and stylish
Rule number 4, automatic transmission or CVT
Rule number 3, sticker below $30,000

Two candidates so far:

- Volkswagen Jetta TDI Clean Diesel
- Ford Fusion Hybrid


If you're taking long trips, then a manual transmission should be fine. Just drop it in 5th or 6th or whatever is top gear, set the cruise control, and relax.
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I love the TDI, but tend to shy away from VW if I want to keep something long-term.


Most people should probably not expect to get more than 400k-500k miles out of a TDI. I would recommend the manual transmission, however, because one of those will most likely last for the life of the car, while the DSG might not.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I love the TDI, but tend to shy away from VW if I want to keep something long-term.


Most people should probably not expect to get more than 400k-500k miles out of a TDI. I would recommend the manual transmission, however, because one of those will most likely last for the life of the car, while the DSG might not.



If this car will be driven all the time, and kept for a long time- I wouldn't recommend a VW period, because as many VW owners on here can attest, they tend to have lots of little problems. And expensive to fix.
 
The car will likely be turned over every two or three years. Probably have around 75,000 miles on it in two years (educated guess).

To those recommending Crown Vic: too large for her. I'm quite familiar with the CV, having been in law enforcement 22 yrs. The Interceptor version is okay, but pretty spartan and barren inside... I'm 6'02" 225lbs and they feel kind of big and floaty to me, so for her it would be like she's in the pilot house of the Queen Mary II. I'm looking forward to the CV going the way of the Doe-Doe. Tired of them. Ready for the new Taurus interceptor or GM's new re-badged Pontiac G8 GT in police trim w/ a Bowtie on it.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I love the TDI, but tend to shy away from VW if I want to keep something long-term.


Most people should probably not expect to get more than 400k-500k miles out of a TDI. I would recommend the manual transmission, however, because one of those will most likely last for the life of the car, while the DSG might not.



If this car will be driven all the time, and kept for a long time- I wouldn't recommend a VW period, because as many VW owners on here can attest, they tend to have lots of little problems. And expensive to fix.
My 02 TDI was a nightmare. I couldn't wait for that pile to be gone. I don't want to get into it here but I would not recommend one. PM if you want the short list of issues.
 
I may get into a bit. The car just angered me.
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Ah yes the dreaded exhaust gas cooler, intake carbon build up. Happened to my TDI twice in 80,000 miles. That was using the correct oil with 5,000 mile oil changes. Pretty common. Had to pull the intake twice and spend about 6 to 8 hours cleaning it. It would choke it down enough to where gas mileage sucked and it had no power. I only would find out when the car started acting funny because my wife drove it.
Lets see 4 neutral park safety switches which stranded us every time. 3 front wheel bearings, 2 sets of glow plugs, 2 sets of injectors, 2 glow plug wiring harness, 2 automatic transmissions. All of this done by the dealer. That is the short list. Thank goodness for warranty. Plus there service departments around here sucked. All of that in 80,000 miles. I will take a GM intake manifold gasket any day.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

. I am no big Mazda fan (due to reliability issues Ive had) but I must say the Mazda 6 interior PHOTOS look very driver centric (though ive never sat in one).


The Mazda 6i should be as reliable as the Fusion. Same engine. Same transmission. Same basic chassis. The Mazda 6 is made at a UAW plant in Michigan. The Fusion is made in Mexico.

Early 6s had some issues. Mazda de-bugged them and Ford got the finished product.


I expect them to test their shiz out before putting a sale sign on it.
 
I tagged the wife's Beetle with the nickname "Hitler's Revenge" today while I was having to jack the car, take the passenger side wheel off, and remove the inner wheel well cover off just to eyeball the bottom of the windshield washer fluid reservoir to locate the source of the leak that was causing it to p!ss washer fluid and leak the tank dry. Turns out the tube came loose from the pump. I went to put it back on and it was a sloppy fit. So I coated it with some silicone sealant to firm it up. So far so good. The nickname fits so well, since the original Volkswagen beetle was a design commissioned by Hitler in 1936 (?...) and considering all the headaches this car has given me due to warranty work and some DIY repairs.

"Hitler's Revenge" Yes, that fits.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
I tagged the wife's Beetle with the nickname "Hitler's Revenge" today while I was having to jack the car, take the passenger side wheel off, and remove the inner wheel well cover off just to eyeball the bottom of the windshield washer fluid reservoir to locate the source of the leak that was causing it to p!ss washer fluid and leak the tank dry. Turns out the tube came loose from the pump. I went to put it back on and it was a sloppy fit. So I coated it with some silicone sealant to firm it up. So far so good. The nickname fits so well, since the original Volkswagen beetle was a design commissioned by Hitler in 1936 (?...) and considering all the headaches this car has given me due to warranty work and some DIY repairs.

"Hitler's Revenge" Yes, that fits.

Amen Brotha, get rid of it now! It is the only way to save yourself!
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"Hitler's Revenge" also applies to the old beatles who used to have some sort of cloth fuel line that would dry rot and break over time, spewing fuel onto a hot engine. notice the amount of old beetles with burn marks around the grilles.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Rule number 1, must be fuel efficient.
Rule number 2, must be comfortable and stylish
Rule number 4, automatic transmission or CVT
Rule number 3, sticker below $30,000


To reiterate, for comfort, style, price, and fuel efficiency, there is no better car than a Volkswagen TDI. I note that some of you owned one in the past and had bad experiences, either with EGR clogging because of high-sulfur diesel fuel or because you had to rely on incompetent dealership mechanics.

But if a prospective buyer knows what he's getting into... if he has an independent TDI expert he can rely on, so he can avoid the dealerships... if he takes the time to understand the mechanicals, the injection system, the forced induction system, the emissions control system (regretfully, this cannot be disabled so easily in the newer models).

It is quite pleasant to travel 600, 700, or even 800 miles on a single tank of fuel, often observing 45 mpg or even better, in comfortable seats, in an ergonomically designed cockpit. I have driven solo many times between California and the Midwest, about 1900 miles, once in only 30 hours and many times in 36-40 hours, and needed only a regular night's sleep to be totally refreshed. I do not know of many other cars like this.

Additionally, with so much torque available the TDIs are excellent tow vehicles for light trailers. A TDI and a 4'x8' flatbed utility trailer makes for a useful combination, in many cases obviating the need for a pickup truck.

TDIs are also fun to drive; it is satisfying to maintain a constant speed or even accelerate up steep grades in top gear, while all around many 6- and 8-cylinder cars are slowing down and the drivers must downshift. A warning though: it is often necessary to use the cruise control to maintain a legal or semi-legal speed -- they want to run and if you're not careful you may glance down and see the speedometer at 90 mph or higher; they are deceptively fast.

But if you want a car that you can buy and forget, ignoring maintenance... or if you don't plan to drive many miles or to keep a car for very long... then a TDI is probably not for you.

Volkswagens are not the only choices. Audi has the A3 TDI, Mercedes and BMW have their own diesel-powered cars, but the Audi is right at the $30k limit the OP established and the others are priced even higher.
 
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Rule number 1, must be fuel efficient.
Rule number 2, must be comfortable and stylish
Rule number 4, automatic transmission or CVT
Rule number 3, sticker below $30,000


To reiterate, for comfort, style, price, and fuel efficiency, there is no better car than a Volkswagen TDI. I note that some of you owned one in the past and had bad experiences, either with EGR clogging because of high-sulfur diesel fuel or because you had to rely on incompetent dealership mechanics.

But if a prospective buyer knows what he's getting into... if he has an independent TDI expert he can rely on, so he can avoid the dealerships... if he takes the time to understand the mechanicals, the injection system, the forced induction system, the emissions control system (regretfully, this cannot be disabled so easily in the newer models).

It is quite pleasant to travel 600, 700, or even 800 miles on a single tank of fuel, often observing 45 mpg or even better, in comfortable seats, in an ergonomically designed cockpit. I have driven solo many times between California and the Midwest, about 1900 miles, once in only 30 hours and many times in 36-40 hours, and needed only a regular night's sleep to be totally refreshed. I do not know of many other cars like this.

Additionally, with so much torque available the TDIs are excellent tow vehicles for light trailers. A TDI and a 4'x8' flatbed utility trailer makes for a useful combination, in many cases obviating the need for a pickup truck.

TDIs are also fun to drive; it is satisfying to maintain a constant speed or even accelerate up steep grades in top gear, while all around many 6- and 8-cylinder cars are slowing down and the drivers must downshift. A warning though: it is often necessary to use the cruise control to maintain a legal or semi-legal speed -- they want to run and if you're not careful you may glance down and see the speedometer at 90 mph or higher; they are deceptively fast.

But if you want a car that you can buy and forget, ignoring maintenance... or if you don't plan to drive many miles or to keep a car for very long... then a TDI is probably not for you.

Volkswagens are not the only choices. Audi has the A3 TDI, Mercedes and BMW have their own diesel-powered cars, but the Audi is right at the $30k limit the OP established and the others are priced even higher.




And the Audi, if I recall, uses the exact same VW powertrain, yet somehow managing to have even higher repair costs.
 
I like how people tend to say that VAG products are more troublesome because of bad mechanics.

If they didn't break they wouldn't need mechanics. We searched long and hard to find a good Audi guy, the car did not become more reliable and it still cost more to replace a clutched alternator pulley than a whole alternator on most cars. I don't think a bad mechanic caused our tranny to fail at 7k miles. A bad mechanic may have caused our inner CV joints to fail at 40k due to the tranny work.
 
Originally Posted By: CBR.worm
I like how people tend to say that VAG products are more troublesome because of bad mechanics.

If they didn't break they wouldn't need mechanics. We searched long and hard to find a good Audi guy, the car did not become more reliable and it still cost more to replace a clutched alternator pulley than a whole alternator on most cars. I don't think a bad mechanic caused our tranny to fail at 7k miles. A bad mechanic may have caused our inner CV joints to fail at 40k due to the tranny work.

Agree, I was triple anal on the maintenance with my TDI and it still broke, no matter what I did. My old [censored] Buick has only screwed me once with the intake gasket. Fixed it 5 years ago and that has been the only thing. It gets a 16th of the love that my VW got and three times the beating. I use the gas pedal like an on and off switch. Dang car is lucky I even open the hood to check the oil once in a great while.
 
Originally Posted By: CBR.worm
I like how people tend to say that VAG products are more troublesome because of bad mechanics.

If they didn't break they wouldn't need mechanics. We searched long and hard to find a good Audi guy, the car did not become more reliable and it still cost more to replace a clutched alternator pulley than a whole alternator on most cars. I don't think a bad mechanic caused our tranny to fail at 7k miles. A bad mechanic may have caused our inner CV joints to fail at 40k due to the tranny work.


German engineering is overrated...I have Ford Freestyle way better built than my German built Jetta TDI wagon.
 
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Originally Posted By: tangojetta
Originally Posted By: CBR.worm
I like how people tend to say that VAG products are more troublesome because of bad mechanics.

If they didn't break they wouldn't need mechanics. We searched long and hard to find a good Audi guy, the car did not become more reliable and it still cost more to replace a clutched alternator pulley than a whole alternator on most cars. I don't think a bad mechanic caused our tranny to fail at 7k miles. A bad mechanic may have caused our inner CV joints to fail at 40k due to the tranny work.


German engineering is overrated...I have Ford Freestyle way better built than my German built Jetta TDI wagon.


You got that right.
 
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