Stereo stuff...

There was something really nice about quality 12 inch woofers powered by a hefty amp way back when. Strangely, it is difficult to replicate today. I tried, and while what I have sounds good, it's not the same.

Silly picture, but those are my Polk Rti A9 speakers. Tall, with 3ea 7" woofers, and completely devoid of any real bass.

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Why would it be difficult to replicate the sound it’s actually very easy just pick the right components
 
Correct. There's a distinct quality of sound that only tube amps can produce.
Some folks call warm and fuzzy tubes quality. Some don't. My Carver M500t power amp is very tubey sounding and lots of power. In the late 60's I had a Heathkit tube amp. Ok sound, but no power for Deep Purple.
 
Ugh I'm jealous. One of the only reasons I'd get a house over my townhouse is so I can have a big honkin' home theater/stereo setup like some of you have.
 
I have an AR XA turntable that I “bought” from my uncle. He was going to donate it to the children’s ministry of his church- in that environment I suspected it would have a life expectancy of around 15 minutes, so I told him to name a price and I’d donate that amount to his church. And that’s how I wound up owning it for the princely sum of $75. I also have a Technics SL-1900 direct drive turntable. I team them up with my old Carver 6250 Receiver and a pair of ADC 303AX floorstanding speakers in my basement workshop.
 
My oldest son got me 2 Metallica vinyl albums for Xmas. He didn't know I finally gave up on vinyl a few years ago and got rid of my Dual turntable. Got me to looking at new ones as I still have my Marantz, but I'm glad to have most of my hearing at my age and feel no need to push my luck. I do miss the amazing amount of clean decibels that thing produced w/o going up in flames.
 
My oldest son got me 2 Metallica vinyl albums for Xmas. He didn't know I finally gave up on vinyl a few years ago and got rid of my Dual turntable. Got me to looking at new ones as I still have my Marantz, but I'm glad to have most of my hearing at my age and feel no need to push my luck. I do miss the amazing amount of clean decibels that thing produced w/o going up in flames.
If there's a band that could get me back into vinyl after being away from it that would be Metallica. That's the band that ever got me to care about music. I still listen to them every day.
 
20k you looking at 100k +++ each
Probably near 50k to 60k in amps alone
At thst price point you're probably hitting the laws of diminishing returns. I'd love to have a $200k a pair setup but other than nice components and a fancy custom brand label HOW much better can they be. I remember reading a few home audio magazines years ago and some of the super high end stuff you needed a custom built sound room and alot of the sound differences were so minimal that it took specialized instruments to really notice any difference.
 
At thst price point you're probably hitting the laws of diminishing returns. I'd love to have a $200k a pair setup but other than nice components and a fancy custom brand label HOW much better can they be. I remember reading a few home audio magazines years ago and some of the super high end stuff you needed a custom built sound room and alot of the sound differences were so minimal that it took specialized instruments to really notice any difference.
It's to show vintage is that vintage and it is no better and worse than what can be done now would ypu go out and by a 1970 TV because it was so awesome no no you wouldn't
 
Why would it be difficult to replicate the sound it’s actually very easy just pick the right components
I never owned any of the high powered stuff from the 1970's and 1980's. But I did frequent the audio stores an a nearby neighbor has a vintage Pioneer setup that just ROCKS. That stuff is just not common anymore. Sure, I could purchase some Cerwin Vega speakers and a 250 Wpc Macintosh amp. In fact, I've heard that exact setup. Seems not to have the classic punch you in the gut sound like my neighbor's vintage Pioneer setup.

My setup has muddy bass. I did a crude frequency sweep with my sound level meter, and that really highlighted how weak the bass is. I purchased a Sunfire 12 inch sub, and that helped a lot. But it is still muddy. The drums just go thud, not "crack".
 
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nothing like the sound of high end stereo components, last real specialty store is gone where i bought my Vanderstein 2Ce's + an xtra used adcom amp to biamp them, great sound BUT one day a pop + has not worked for a while! looking for a local pro to check things, fuses are in the amps + on the rear, but just have not taken the time to look!!
 
I never owned any of the high powered stuff from the 1970's and 1980's. But I did frequent the audio stores an a nearby neighbor has a vintage Pioneer setup that just ROCKS. That stuff is just not common anymore. Sure, I could purchase some Cerwin Vega speakers and a 250 Wpc Macintosh amp. In fact, I've heard that exact setup. Seems not to have the classic punch you in the gut sound like my neighbor's vintage Pioneer setup.

My setup has muddy bass. I did a crude frequency sweep with my sound level meter, and that really highlighted how weak the bass is. I purchased a Sunfire 12 inch sub, and that helped a lot. But it is still muddy. The drums just go thud, not "crack".

I think Mac is way overrated. Back in the 80's when I was trying to get high current amps to power my big Magnepan panels, I was trying all kinds of stuff from the high end shops in Cambridge and Boston near MIT.

Some stuff that had some juice were:

Sumo Andromeda

Electron Kinetics Eagle 2A

Musical Concepts modded Hafler DH200

New York Audio Lab Moscode 300 (thanks Harvey Rosenberg!)

And my roomate ran a wonderful amp on his Electrostatics, the pretty much unheard of

Bedini 801 70wpc Class A

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and ... under the hood of the Bedini:
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NYAL Moscode 300

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I didn't mention the upper tier: Krell, Jeff Roland, Classé, Mark Levinson as they were beyond my target expenditure;
And my thoughts, coming from Bell Labs, this should not have to cost a fortune as "it's all in the design, with some extra outlay for a few good parts in critical positions."
 
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