steel rims out of round?

[MrTruckDriver]

i decided to make a new post for this one.
its regarding the same truck and my new tires
its just more about rims then tire shops.

after buying new all terrain tires for my truck
i noticed vibration from the back.
can feel it in the seat opposed to the steering wheel.
went back to the tire shop and they rebalanced all 4 wheels.
it didn't fix it so i ended up leaving the truck with the shop for a half a day so the could test drive it.
when i went back they told me that no steel rim is perfect. that combined with the stiffer AT tires makes it more noticable.
switching to aluminum rims would fix the issue as they are built to be perfict.
one of the rims on the back is a bit bent.

just looking for opinions on this its the fist time ive heard of steel rims acting that way.
they are factory 17s.

thanks again.

 

[mehullica]

Do they have a “Hunter Road Force “ balancer? Whether it’s bent or not, that machine will try to match the tire to the rim to make the roundest possible wheel/tire combination. It’ll tell whether the wheel or tire exceeds runnout matching possibilities

 

[MrTruckDriver]

yes they have a hunter roadforce balancer.
there was over 6 oz of weights on the rim.
i bubble balanced it and used 4 oz. its noticeably better now. just not perfect.

 

[MParr]

It’s possible one or more are out of round. I once had a Mazda B2000 that had out of round steel wheels. Did the truck vibrate like you described before mounting the new tires? If it did, it may be the rims or something in the drive line. If it didn’t vibrate before mounting the new tires, it’s probably the tires that are out of round. Tire places don’t like to be shown they have sold [censored] tires and try to blame it on other things.

 

[MrTruckDriver]

no issues with the street tires i had prior.
i jacked up the truck and spun the wheel its about an 1/8 of an inch out.
also ordered an aftermarket wheel to replace it. they put it on the balancer and it wasnt perfect they said no point to install it.

 

[MParr]

You say you “spun the wheel” and it’s about 1/8” out? Are you looking at the wheel or tire? I’ve gotten bad tires before and it will drive you crazy trying to run it down. Two cases of different tire manufacturers and different vehicles. Vehicle #1: 1991 Ford Ranger. I bought a set of Firestone Wilderness HT. Two of the four were out of round and out laterally. Vehicle #2: 2006 Hyundai Tucson. I bought a set of General Altimax RT43. Three of four were out of round and out laterally. All terrain tires are pretty bad about being out of spec.

 

[MrTruckDriver]

no its the rim. both back tires look out of round tho.
tire shop wont take responsibility as long as i have steel rims. they could be correct.

are alloy wheels better?
i allways thought they where best regarding looks and weight. tire shop says they are built better and stay round and true better.

 

[MParr]

I think they are jacking you around. You must be a real nice person. I would have asked for my old tires back and went elsewhere. Alloy wheels are by design more round but, mounting [censored] tires on a good rim won’t solve your problem. I bet those tire shop guys don’t even know how wheels are made.

 

[MParr]

Tell us about the tires in question. What brand are they? Tell us about the tire shop. Is it a chain store or an independent store?

 

[MrTruckDriver]

the tires are maxxis at771 p265 70 17.
the tire shop is a chain the owner works the front desk. ive never had trouble there before.

 

[SatinSilver]

Kind of sounds like a tire issue since the problem wasn't before changing over to new tires. Based on your other thread it seems the tire shop might be a little shady.

Below is the OP to give the full picture.

Originally Posted By: MrTruckDriver
had a flat on my pickup truck.
the tire shop told me it couldn't be repaired and I would need another one. i didnt think that was a big deal until they told me a new one would be about $380.00 apparently i had fancy street tires. i asked if they could sell me something thats looked sort of like it and they said no way the tires need to be the same.
i then asked if could buy 2 street tires for the one axle and they said no they all have to be the same. $1000.00 later i got 4 new all terrain tires.
ive been asking other people about the tire shops they go to and it sounds like the same sort of thing for them.
i remember when i was a kid my dad ruined a tire and the shop just got him a used one that was close.
i know times change just not sure if tire shops get blamed for alot or if its more of a way to sell tires.
im in Canada.
what are tire shops like for you guys?


Also here's a write up of the new tires you bought:

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/maxxis-bravo-series-at-771-reviews/

 

[MParr]

With all terrain type tires you are going to get all sorts of things you are not accustomed to. You said you had no issues with your prior street tires. There’s the clue. Maxxis tires are entry level imports. Rule of thumb, you get what you pay for.

 

[MrTruckDriver]

Originally Posted By: MParr
With all terrain type tires you are going to get all sorts of things you are not accustomed to. You said you had no issues with your prior street tires. There’s the clue. Maxxis tires are entry level imports. Rule of thumb, you get what you pay for.


fair enough. I'll sure be asking about brands on this site before i buy my next set.
not sure if I'll have a place to install them or if I'll be doing it myself.

no one has really said aluminum rims are the answer so i dont think im going that route.

thanks for all the help ive learnt alot.

 

[MParr]

Aluminum rims are better but, I don’t think that would help with those tires. I had alloy rims on that 2006 Tucson I mentioned above and had no problems with tires until I ran into those awful Altimax RT43s. Steel wheels are stamped from sheet steel and hydraulically hammered into their shape and welded across the ring. Most alloy wheels are forged or cast and finished on a lathe of some form.

 

[Kira]

You know what bugs me? I'll tell you.

This isn't the first time something like this has been brought up.

Why can't they rotate a wheel-any wheel-to a.) see if it's balanced, b.) in round or not, c.) running out (side-to-side) or not?
Then have a rig which spins new, unmounted tires to see if they are within spec.
ADDED BONUS: The installer would have an idea where heavy spots are.
Then, balance the darn tire and wheel.

YES, I know it'd add cost but this happens enough times to be worth addressing.

 

[MParr]

Kira
I’ve done business the the type of tire dealers that are doing work with the OP. They either don’t know or don’t care. All they want is your money. I was so upset with those Altimax RT43 tires. I knew I didn’t have a rim problem. I even took it to a Goodyear Tire store to check them and road force balance the tires. That was a bust. They were worse when they got through. Yet, they were glad to take my money and not tell the tires were out of spec. My eyeballs and my floor jack were what I used and I could plainly see they were bad. The auto dealership I bought them from replaced them with Cooper CS3 Touring and all was well. They even reimbursed me the money I spent at Goodyear.