State Farm sues Tesla for fire damaged home
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Yeah - I’m guessing 90% of iCE vehicles have a pedal and mats - and if the factory or dealer put them there - they best interact well or else …
Yeah, I remember sending my Lexus in and they actually replace the pedal.
Some vehicles (older Fords for sure) have the gas pedal on a hinge (or a pivot point) where it attaches to the arm. This seems to be designed so that if the bottom edge of the pedal is trapped by a floormat, it can pivot on the hinge to clear the floor mat as the return spring pushes the pedal back up.
All the run-away instances magically disappeared after Toyota came out with their fixes and paid the settlement, But, if there was still an actual run-away issue that could "never be fixed", you'd think we would have still heard about controlled run-away situations (because of the brake over-ride ECU reprogramming), which I never heard of. I followed that all very closely since I had (and still have) a Tacoma that was supposedly effected.
Plus, even if there was a brake over-ride system, if the ECU software and/or hardware went nuts, there would still be a WOT run-away and the only way to stop it would be to smash the brakes (or turn off the ignition), which some people may not even think of in the heat of the moment. Yet, all the reported run-aways seemed to just magically disappeared over night. If there is no "fix", then there would still be some run-away situations even after all the Toyota fixes.
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Has there been any shown software yeeting out? I learned sticky pedal in addition to floor mat. Mine had no sticky pedal. Millions of old toyotas getting high used car prices, and never hear about or see one yeeting out in traffic by software. Maybe it can be found on the internet. But you are right, I am wrong. Nasa said no tech evidence found, but that can be talked away. I’m so wrong about all of it. Happy?
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Not sure what is newsworthy here.
A defective product of any kind that burns down a home maybe liable. I don't think it would be unusual for the home insurance company to go after the manufacturerer of the defective product for the costs of rebuilding the home. It would almost sound, for lack of better words, negligent if the insurance company didnt go after the manufacturer.
Call me crazy, but this seems like everyday product liability stuff, thousands or tens of thousands of these cases in the courts.
I think maybe because the "Tesla" name it creates an interesting story for the media to present. Plenty of gas powered cars have burned down homes too and continue to do so everyday
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Not sure what is newsworthy here.
A defective product of any kind that burns down a home maybe liable. I don't think it would be unusual for the home insurance company to go after the manufacturerer of the defective product for the costs of rebuilding the home. It would almost sound, for lack of better words, negligent if the insurance company didnt go after the manufacturer.
Call me crazy, but this seems like everyday product liability stuff, thousands or tens of thousands of these cases in the courts.
I think maybe because the "Tesla" name it creates an interesting story for the media to present. Plenty of gas powered cars have burned down homes too and continue to do so everyday
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Even if this was nothing more than a mat/pedal issue = it was still “Brought to you by Toyota”
Most are aware of the NASA study - the court room was - and I have already stated the lawsuit was extreme - that’s what lawyers do.
However - were interlock system changes just new model 2011 ?
https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/camry-brake-override-recall.331623/
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Agree for the most part - but cause and effects are certainly different with EV and we best get ready …...
Not sure what is newsworthy here.
A defective product of any kind that burns down a home maybe liable. I don't think it would be unusual for the home insurance company to go after the manufacturerer of the defective product for the costs of rebuilding the home. It would almost sound, for lack of better words, negligent if the insurance company didnt go after the manufacturer.
Call me crazy, but this seems like everyday product liability stuff, thousands or tens of thousands of these cases in the courts.
I think maybe because the "Tesla" name it creates an interesting story for the media to present. Plenty of gas powered cars have burned down homes too and continue to do so everyday
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Yes and its VERY hard to put out a lithium ion fire. Lithium creates is own O2 when it burns. Fumes very toxic too.
It takes between 500 and 8000 gallons of water to put out a lithium battery fire. Think about that, the fire truck needs that water no matter where it goes vs a simple large fire extinguisher or foam.
Just after the 5 and before the 6 minute mark in this video, supported by Tesla BTW, and I suspect a little fluffed up, it discusses fire suppression agents... and its water. A lot of it is needed. If this happens in a garage of a home, the home will certainly be a lost cause. But it is rare, more rare then gasoline, time will tell and I suspect as technology moves forward ...
https://news.yahoo.com/put-electric-car-fire-140000865.html
Here is another ... https://wildfiretoday.com/2018/05/1...take-3000-gallons-and-24-hours-to-extinguish/
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Yes - and even if somewhat effective - an oxygen deprivation system has issues around homes - perhaps in a new build with detached garage …
Thinking a carport will be cheaper - tell the neighbors it’s a porte cochere !
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Here’s one for LS Mike
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I wouldn’t want the interlock on a car. Sometimes I may want to have a foot on the brake and the other foot on the gas, my choice of reasons. I can see why Toyota does want it. As much as has been said, there still is no proven case of the car itself accelerating I’ve seen yet. Some drivers said and thought it did. Juries believed, etc. Somewhere somehow after all these years an impartial expert has to have documented a Toyota pull away, accelerate, all by itself with no one touching the gas pedal.
Only reason I could think of is when roasting and smoking the tires while the car (RWD) isn't moving, lol. The brake over-ride only works when the vehicle is moving. Why would you want to be on the gas and brake at the same time while driving down the road?
Assume a typical residence in a suburb, there's fire hydrant. I'd like to see you put out a pickup truck fire with a large fire extinguisher instead of water.
What are you trying to do exactly with both brakes and gas pedals together, other than some drifting or drag racing?
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