Start-up noise--starving for oil

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I have a 1997 Nissan truck (100,000 miles) that has always had a noise upon starting (summer, winter & even after re-starting after 2 hours or so), The noise stops after about 5 seconds. Nissan originally recommended their redesigned oil filter with a silicone drainback seal but that didn't solve the problem. Other similar oil filters also have not solved it. Nissan is no help. Had the engine flushed & it solved the problem for a few months. Marvel mystery oil or full synthetics--still same problem.

Lucas oil stabilizer? I've read about the potential foam issues & the debate about whether the test is predictive.
 
I would run some ARX http://www.auto-rx.com/index.html thew it and then a little every oil change. Sounds to me like dirty lifters. Possibly why when you get it all clean in there its OK and now with the lifters dirty they dont fill with good oil quickly. What oil WT and brand are you using? I would not use the lucus in any engine.
 
Describe the noise to use! It could be bad chain tensioner,partialy obstructed oil pickup, cracked pickup tube, bad pickup tube seal,weak oil pump, stuck bypass valve,lose valvetrain, etc.........We need more information as to what has been done on the diagnosis side of things as well.
 
I had good luck with 5W30 Penzoil synthetic back in the 90's with my 3.0L Pathfinders ('94&'97) and OEM filters. That took care of valve ticking on cold start-up. You can expect exhaust manifold leaks to start showing up around 50-70K though (if you have 3.0L). Oil will not solve that problem.
I like PP 5W30 in my 2000 V-8 Tundra for starts below freezing now. It doesn't sound like a diesel anymore.
 
Probably not worth worrying about with 100,000 mile on it .I had a 92 4x4 Toyota x cab 6 cyl maintained perfectly .Some one rear ended it so hard it was totalled.
 
If I were you I would be sweating over whether the vehicle will make it to 250,000 miles on that engine. You don't mention any other problems or even using oil between changes. The only reason I traded in my 97 Sentra 2 years ago at 125K miles was because I really wanted my Jetta diesel wagon. Not a very good reason.

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newbie here (but yes, I searched the forums before posting), so can you describe the noise to see if its the same thing?

I'm seemingly having the same problem year round - although the noise lasts longer in the winter, presumably because its taking longer for oil to go to the places it needs to be at (my theory). The colder it is, the longer it takes for the noise to go away - in winter now here in Washington DC, it goes for about 3-6 seconds. The newer the oil (ie right after an oil change) also makes the noise not last as long. In the summer, it only makes the noise for a split second.

After the noise goes away, the RPMs jump up some to the normal level of a cold engine trying to warm itself - about 1500-1700 rpms.

I'll try and make a digital recording of the noise, but to me it sounds almost like a rubbing-hissing sound, until it stops and the engine rpms jump up.

Since just changing the oil doesn't really fix it (it simply alleviates it briefly). Started happening last winter alot.

I *gasp* occasionally change my own oil, just because we lived in an apartment and it was frowned upon to do own carwork. But now we bought and I can make as big as mess as I want. Usually use a Castrol GTX 5W30, but I think what is in there now is some cheap 5W30 from Firestone, along with their filter. It needs an oil change now, so now is an ideal time to tinker, i thought.
 
I listened to your recording. My truck sounds different (less "scratchy" or hissing as you stated) but it's difficult to describe. All I can say is that it sounds as if the lubrication is working when the sound disappears. The thing we have in common is that the sound disappears after a few seconds.

Tried the anti-drain back silicone filters (NAPA, Nissan redesigned, etc.) and they didn't stop the sound. Truck does not burn oil. Oil changed every 4000 miles max. About 12,000 miles year mileage. Used all types of oils over the years (GTX, Pennzoil, synthetic, Exxon, etc).

Based on other input I won't be trying Lucas. I'll have to check if my rpms are lower during & after noise. Don't believe so.

More to follow.
 
My Auto-Rx HORROR story. Read much about it and finally ordered 2 cans at $20 each, expensive. But I figured I'd give it a try. Now the problem--there is a 100% money back guarantee if it didn't work. No details provided (return container, time limit, etc???). I even did a search. I asked the question in the comments box when I ordered regarding how I get money back if it doesn't work.

WOW--got blasted from the owner, patent holder, CEO--all the same guy. Then we exchanged emails, I was friendly, curious, etc but he was NASTY. He decided to "disengage" and canceled purchase, refunded money. He stated he only wants long term customers!!!!

I guess his guarantee is WORTHLESS based on his reaction.
 
I was considering trying it but WOW your post is an eye opener. My first impression is that maybe he has his doubts about his own product too!
I have been trying to find out just what is in auto-rx and the best i can come up with so far is that it is a vegetable based "ester" chemical of some kind. Miracles do not come in a bottle so if he doesnt want to sell it to you, big deal!
Ha ha ha he's a great big dope to treat a customer like that, so what he cancelled your order? If you want a safe flush try marvel mystery oil in the oil or something, at least it has been around a long time! I dont really believe ANY chemical can clean the engine all that well anyways!
His attitude is all WRONG chalk it up to misplaced arrogance (his). Bah!
 
Blasphemy!
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My Auto-Rx HORROR story. Read much about it and finally ordered 2 cans at $20 each, expensive. But I figured I'd give it a try. Now the problem--there is a 100% money back guarantee if it didn't work. No details provided (return container, time limit, etc???). I even did a search. I asked the question in the comments box when I ordered regarding how I get money back if it doesn't work.

WOW--got blasted from the owner, patent holder, CEO--all the same guy. Then we exchanged emails, I was friendly, curious, etc but he was NASTY. He decided to "disengage" and canceled purchase, refunded money. He stated he only wants long term customers!!!!

I guess his guarantee is WORTHLESS based on his reaction.

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IF that was his reaction, Noob.. We so far only have one side.. But if I had to bet, I'd bet on the ARX folks being on the up and up vs. a Noob who's around, I dunno, two weeks?
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As for U, SuperNoob Marc, maybe ya oughtta do a little reading, familiarize yourself with who's who around here. Site sponsors, folks who (or is it whom?) are respected tribologist/chemists/scientists? Consider that before you call the folks you call, a Dope.

I believe the AutoRX folks, Frank, and the organization in general are held in high regard here, and Noobs should consider their words more carefully.

My 2 cents.
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Frank is a cranky guy. His meds make him paranoid, too. But his product stands on it's own. I can't say if AutoRx will help here though.

That sounds like khrap, but not necessarily oil starved.
 
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My Auto-Rx HORROR story. Read much about it and finally ordered 2 cans at $20 each, expensive. But I figured I'd give it a try. Now the problem--there is a 100% money back guarantee if it didn't work. No details provided (return container, time limit, etc???). I even did a search. I asked the question in the comments box when I ordered regarding how I get money back if it doesn't work.

WOW--got blasted from the owner, patent holder, CEO--all the same guy. Then we exchanged emails, I was friendly, curious, etc but he was NASTY. He decided to "disengage" and canceled purchase, refunded money. He stated he only wants long term customers!!!!

I guess his guarantee is WORTHLESS based on his reaction.

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IF that was his reaction, Noob.. We so far only have one side.. But if I had to bet, I'd bet on the ARX folks being on the up and up vs. a Noob who's around, I dunno, two weeks?
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Toocrazy - so you're saying one has to sit around here for several years before one can criticize a given product? Maybe he could have said it in a less harsh way, but at the end of the day - - the customer is always right. And for 20$ a bottle, Auto-RX isn't all that cheap. I have 3 bottles that should arrive here today. I'm not going to send them right back, because what works for one car may not work for another - - but to start calling people noobs (and implying they know nothing) just because they haven't been around as long as you is ridiculous.

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. In the meanwhile, back to trying to fix my engine problem(s).
 
Quick question roger1997 - did you really drive 1500 miles after you dumped the auto-rx in? Thats a fair amount of miles between your original post (12/26) and your horror story with the auto-rx guy (1/5). I think you are supposed to do the rinse phase there too, which is another 2000 miles before all the #@$%! is really cleaned out.
 
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