Carriers can't block calls because they believe it is a spam call, however they can block calls from the prohibited type of numbers we have discussed above.
I didn't see any discussion of politics.
Spam Calls on Home Phone
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Me either but seemed like the two of us were talking in smoke and mirror territory... Im sure if not in a forum it would have been better understood.
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Great info / idea I am going to follow up on.
The whole concept of blocking spam calls is murky and full of FCC regulations which can contradict themselves. Trust me, the carriers have lawyers that very carefully interpret what they can and can't do. It's very complex.
I had a 40 year professional career in utility regulation. Landline telephone is a utility service.
All utilities have service quality standards. The telephone companies themselves are responsible for quality of service on their systems.
In the past, the quality of service on telephone systems went to criteria such as percentage of calls that are dropped or never go through, how long it takes to get a dial tone, things like that. But these days, the service standards should include things such as misleading caller ID data that renders the phone unusable.
The phone companies are delivering unfiltered garbage to their subscribers. They seem to not care, or are doing nothing, putting their subscribers at the mercy of spammers misusing the system.
There should be investigations of the industry to determine what, if anything, they are doing to alleviate this problem. And if it isn't enough, lower rates to reflect the decline in the value of the service to telephone subscribers.
All utilities have service quality standards. The telephone companies themselves are responsible for quality of service on their systems.
In the past, the quality of service on telephone systems went to criteria such as percentage of calls that are dropped or never go through, how long it takes to get a dial tone, things like that. But these days, the service standards should include things such as misleading caller ID data that renders the phone unusable.
The phone companies are delivering unfiltered garbage to their subscribers. They seem to not care, or are doing nothing, putting their subscribers at the mercy of spammers misusing the system.
There should be investigations of the industry to determine what, if anything, they are doing to alleviate this problem. And if it isn't enough, lower rates to reflect the decline in the value of the service to telephone subscribers.
In this opinion you also must consider that carriers have historically not been allowed to block any calls. Now they can block some calls with bad TNs, but still can't block what are considered by the end user to be spam calls. The FCC mandates how carriers must complete calls.
When they disguise their identity and locations by spoofing Caller ID, they are outlaws on the telephone system.
Spoofing your caller ID is not illegal unless you are doing something illegal, so the act of spoofing caller ID does not mean you are an outlaw. Even if they are doing something illegal, the carriers still can't block the calls, this is mandated in the service quality rules. It is not up to the carriers to determine if activity is legal or illegal.
I think we are treading in a gray area as to what the phone companies are required to do by the FCC. I am not so sure spoofing is as easy as it used to be. Still no denying the amount of robocalls have been cut down.
SO as posted below, was does "verifying the caller" mean. The callers phone company or the actual caller by his phone number?
2021 -
- Starting on Sept. 28, phone companies must refuse calls from providers that have not registered with the F.C.C.
ALL I Know is a lot has been done already.
This was from a previous link I provided. One thing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/14/...e-is-meant-to-help-cut-down-on-robocalls.html
Spoofing caller ID is beyond simple. Many companies do this to display a vanity number instead of a trunk ID number or the number assigned to the station that makes the call.
This is referring to STIR/SHAKEN which has limited success, because it must be acted on by the receiving station or system and STIR/SHAKEN does not work on the TDM network, only SIP.
public utility commissions, not legislatures, regulate services in accordance with tariffs setting forth the specifics of the service. There are many tariff provision dealing with Caller ID, and what subscribers to telephone service can and cannot do regarding the service. For example, a caller is allowed to block the caller ID so that the call recipient only sees "private" and can choose to not answer. Or, caller ID allows customers to block specific incoming numbers of people they do not want to talk to. There is no tariff provision that allows a calling subscriber to misrepresent who he/she actually is, where they are located, or what the calling number is. The return call feature is totally defeated as the number sent is not the number of the actual calling party. So, by misusing the service in a way that defeats or frustrates the way the software is supposed to work, these spam callers are indeed outlaws, pretending to be someone who they are not and defeating the ability to use features meant for called parties to manage what calls they choose to answer, and which they do not.
"pretending to be someone they are not" is the key, that's not legal. Just spoofing your caller ID is not illegal.
All these technicalities really don't matter, because carriers are not allowed to block calls because they believe they might be spam.
Too bad it's not a live person on the other end. Otherwise....
We haven’t had a land line since around 2016. Same with cable. I get spam calls on the cell but I don’t answer numbers I don’t know. The text ones are easy enough to spot and ignore. Occasionally I’ll answer and mess with them when I’m feeling spicy. My wife doesn’t like it. Says they are just trying to make a living. My response is yeah by stealing from me.
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