SOPUS? for Johnny or anyone
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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Most of Toyota's modern engines can do the 500,000 mile miracle, I have little doubt that Fords Modular V8's can do almost as well as a Toyota V8 in terms of real world durability.
Ever hear of a really high mileage Toyota V8? I haven't.
I have heard of and seen numerous 300,000+ mile Modulars.
Here's a couple examples:
http://www.millionmilevan.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYRkbYZmzNw
New timing chains/guides would have had that Modular in the second video going double mileage in all likelihood.
I've seen a 230,000 mile Toyota Sequoia. I have no doubt in my mind that those engines are very reliable, they often (almost always) show single digit UOA results. There are probably others with even higher mileage than that. But those Modulars are indeed tough, no arguing with that.
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Most of Toyota's modern engines can do the 500,000 mile miracle, I have little doubt that Fords Modular V8's can do almost as well as a Toyota V8 in terms of real world durability.
Ever hear of a really high mileage Toyota V8? I haven't.
I have heard of and seen numerous 300,000+ mile Modulars.
Here's a couple examples:
http://www.millionmilevan.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYRkbYZmzNw
New timing chains/guides would have had that Modular in the second video going double mileage in all likelihood.
I've seen a 230,000 mile Toyota Sequoia. I have no doubt in my mind that those engines are very reliable, they often (almost always) show single digit UOA results. There are probably others with even higher mileage than that. But those Modulars are indeed tough, no arguing with that.
I haven't seen an uber high mileage Yoda V8, but I have personally worked on many Toyota 4 cylinder cars with over 300k miles on them. The bodies on those cars are going to rot out before those motors go.
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: cronk
Funny, all I own is GM and none burn oil or have had converter issues or piston slap. I usually get 200k or more from them, and sell them still running due to rotted out bodies (I live in the salt belt).
Can I have some of that Kool-Aid?
I haven't been on here very long but I know enough to take JB's posts about GM with a grain of salt. My 3 vehicles (car, truck, and boat) do have GM engines in them but I'm fairly open-minded when it comes to vehicle brands. None of the GM vehicles we have owned have ever had oil consumption issues. The original catalytic converter on my truck lasted 220,000 miles and 12 years.......
JB bashes GM in about every post and makes out like Toyota's are made out of magical materials and super close tolerances. Neither claim is really true. It's like reading an automag where the writer secretly has stock in Toyota lol.
GM engines don't particularly use much oil. The problem with some cat failures was more of a quality control issue and a mechanical faailure and not really anything to do with oil and additive. The EPA wants the additive out of the oil too. Sure the CPFI was problematic after higher miles and the low quality gas deserves part of the blame, but it's not like Toyotas and Hondas didn't have problematic distributors, timing belts that had a limited life, rusty exhausts, transmission failures, squeaking brakes, sludge issues etc. What CARB does isn't necessarily a fair endictment on an automaker. Oh well.
Originally Posted By: cronk
Funny, all I own is GM and none burn oil or have had converter issues or piston slap. I usually get 200k or more from them, and sell them still running due to rotted out bodies (I live in the salt belt).
Can I have some of that Kool-Aid?
I haven't been on here very long but I know enough to take JB's posts about GM with a grain of salt. My 3 vehicles (car, truck, and boat) do have GM engines in them but I'm fairly open-minded when it comes to vehicle brands. None of the GM vehicles we have owned have ever had oil consumption issues. The original catalytic converter on my truck lasted 220,000 miles and 12 years.......
JB bashes GM in about every post and makes out like Toyota's are made out of magical materials and super close tolerances. Neither claim is really true. It's like reading an automag where the writer secretly has stock in Toyota lol.
GM engines don't particularly use much oil. The problem with some cat failures was more of a quality control issue and a mechanical faailure and not really anything to do with oil and additive. The EPA wants the additive out of the oil too. Sure the CPFI was problematic after higher miles and the low quality gas deserves part of the blame, but it's not like Toyotas and Hondas didn't have problematic distributors, timing belts that had a limited life, rusty exhausts, transmission failures, squeaking brakes, sludge issues etc. What CARB does isn't necessarily a fair endictment on an automaker. Oh well.
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Well, looks like everyone has pretty well covered what that idiot had to say. I will just add that whoever wrote that is a fool.
i'd love to become the greenaccord03 to JB's sprintman
but i just don't have the time or energy. i guess some time in the past JB was really annoyed by GM, and it's lasted to this day. my dad was a GM guy and me too and we've never had a V8 oil burner. he was religious about his 3K oil changes in the old days when it was a good idea
then again i've never had a northstar, and i do think a lot of their sedans over the years were sub par
but i just don't have the time or energy. i guess some time in the past JB was really annoyed by GM, and it's lasted to this day. my dad was a GM guy and me too and we've never had a V8 oil burner. he was religious about his 3K oil changes in the old days when it was a good idea
then again i've never had a northstar, and i do think a lot of their sedans over the years were sub par
yeah but don't discount that the "SL" & older oils might have less FM in them but offer a better additve pkg for more wear protection ehhh?
So could it be said that the CAFE-pleasing API SM-rated oil's FM additves could allow for better MPG but still wear down bearings faster than older oils or HDEO oil? Kinda like the whol Z-MAX gimmick? ---- less friction in the short term but more wear in the long term?
So could it be said that the CAFE-pleasing API SM-rated oil's FM additves could allow for better MPG but still wear down bearings faster than older oils or HDEO oil? Kinda like the whol Z-MAX gimmick? ---- less friction in the short term but more wear in the long term?
I believe it, just threw my Redline/Shell Helix Ultra/M1 15W50/Havoline Energy in the rubbish skip..
I have had the worst luck with G.M. products I have owned to the point of not doing busisness with them and even more so I worked doing fleet work and the fleet managers chose Ford trucks due to Ford holding up better than Chev or Dodge in commercial use,but I will have to say the last couple of Powerstrokes haven't been stellar so to say. My 2006 Toyota Tacoma isn't really bad at all but it is nowhere the truck quality wise as the 1992 Toy p/u I owned or my wifes 1984 Toy p/u.
Originally Posted By: buster
JB, wow!
J.B. is on fire, good post!
JB, wow!
J.B. is on fire, good post!
I live in the salt belt too. I have traded off 2 rust free ten year old Pontiacs. No rust on my 02 cavalier so far. My 77 LUV and 71 Valiant rusted bad here.
Originally Posted By: Loobed
The guy's computer was hit by the stupidity virus which caused his keyboard to type nonsense.
Thats the best one I heard yet!
The guy's computer was hit by the stupidity virus which caused his keyboard to type nonsense.
Thats the best one I heard yet!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Don't forget Pennzoil and QS cause wax build up in the engine too
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Rotella T Synthetic does too. It's just a quick leap back to it's base of slack wax....
Don't forget Pennzoil and QS cause wax build up in the engine too
Rotella T Synthetic does too. It's just a quick leap back to it's base of slack wax....
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