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We are to be thankful for someone calling for a war against Islamic militants?
Well, it's good to see moderate sections of Islam confront Islamic militancy. They have a better chance of doing anything than we do about it.
If you were to remove the question mark from your statement, you would be a right. Otherwise one day you might be wondering why militant _____'s are burning down our cities.
Yeah, Canada is a well-known target.
You might be surprised. There have been a few foiled scemes. I was refering to Western Civilization as a whole. They are willing to blow up fellow Muslims in Jordan and burn down France, so why not Canada? We're infidels too, you know.
You might be right. However the French thing has less to do with religion than it does with poverty.
Good one.
MarkC some reality at last. Decades without jobs or basic infrastructure and 'l;eadership' still burying their heads in the sand to this day it was always going to erupt!
Many people wiser than myself say ( and I agree) that you there isn't a military solution to terrorism, you have to somehow address what causes people to embrace its use.
ABUSE of human rights in Iraq is as bad now as it was under Saddam Hussein, if not worse, the former prime minister Iyad Allawi said in an interview published yesterday.
"People are doing the same as [in] Saddam Hussein's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison," Dr Allawi told the London newspaper The Observer.
But his comments came as the leader of Iraq's most powerful political party called on the US to let Iraqi fighters take a more aggressive role against insurgents, saying his country would be able to defeat the insurgency only when the US let Iraqis get tough.
Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the Shiite religious party that leads the transitional government and whose armed wing is the most feared of Iraq's many factional forces, said the US was tying Iraq's hands in the fight against insurgents.
"The more freedom given to Iraqis, the more chance for further progress there would be, particularly in fighting terror," Mr Hakim said.
Dr Allawi, a secular Shiite and former Baathist who is standing in elections scheduled for December 15, told The Observer that "people are remembering the days of Saddam".
"We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated," he said in an apparent reference to the discovery of a bunker at the Shiite-run Interior Ministry where 170 men were held prisoner, beaten, half-starved and in some cases tortured.
Dr Allawi said the Interior Ministry, which has tried to brush off the scandal over the bunker, was afflicted by a "disease".
If it was not cured, he said, it "will become contagious and spread to all ministries and structures of Iraq's government".
"The Ministry of the Interior is at the heart of the matter," Dr Allawi said. "I am not blaming the minister himself, but the rank and file are behind the secret dungeons and some of the executions that are taking place."
Dr Allawi was Iraq's first post-Saddam prime minister but failed to win January's election, which brought Ibrahim al-Jaafari, an Islamist Shiite, to power.
Mr Hakim, speaking at his Baghdad home and office, denied accusations that the Government's security forces - with alleged involvement by his party's armed wing - had operated torture centres and death squads targeting Sunni Arabs.
He was critical of US policies towards Iraq but said US forces must remain in the country as a "guest" of the Iraqi Government while it built its security forces.
He charged that the US, fearful of alienating Sunnis, was blocking the arrests of Sunni political leaders who had ties to insurgents. The mixing of security and political issues was just another mistake, he said. "Terrorists should know there would be no dealing with them."
Iraq is scheduled to vote on December 15 for the country's first full-term government.
"People are doing the same as [in] Saddam Hussein's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison," Dr Allawi told the London newspaper The Observer.
But his comments came as the leader of Iraq's most powerful political party called on the US to let Iraqi fighters take a more aggressive role against insurgents, saying his country would be able to defeat the insurgency only when the US let Iraqis get tough.
Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the Shiite religious party that leads the transitional government and whose armed wing is the most feared of Iraq's many factional forces, said the US was tying Iraq's hands in the fight against insurgents.
"The more freedom given to Iraqis, the more chance for further progress there would be, particularly in fighting terror," Mr Hakim said.
Dr Allawi, a secular Shiite and former Baathist who is standing in elections scheduled for December 15, told The Observer that "people are remembering the days of Saddam".
"We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated," he said in an apparent reference to the discovery of a bunker at the Shiite-run Interior Ministry where 170 men were held prisoner, beaten, half-starved and in some cases tortured.
Dr Allawi said the Interior Ministry, which has tried to brush off the scandal over the bunker, was afflicted by a "disease".
If it was not cured, he said, it "will become contagious and spread to all ministries and structures of Iraq's government".
"The Ministry of the Interior is at the heart of the matter," Dr Allawi said. "I am not blaming the minister himself, but the rank and file are behind the secret dungeons and some of the executions that are taking place."
Dr Allawi was Iraq's first post-Saddam prime minister but failed to win January's election, which brought Ibrahim al-Jaafari, an Islamist Shiite, to power.
Mr Hakim, speaking at his Baghdad home and office, denied accusations that the Government's security forces - with alleged involvement by his party's armed wing - had operated torture centres and death squads targeting Sunni Arabs.
He was critical of US policies towards Iraq but said US forces must remain in the country as a "guest" of the Iraqi Government while it built its security forces.
He charged that the US, fearful of alienating Sunnis, was blocking the arrests of Sunni political leaders who had ties to insurgents. The mixing of security and political issues was just another mistake, he said. "Terrorists should know there would be no dealing with them."
Iraq is scheduled to vote on December 15 for the country's first full-term government.
While the common terroist may well be recruited from the poor, the leaders are anything but. They want nothing more than the return of the 15th century with them as the ruling class, and will do whatever is required to obtain that.
There's just one way to deal with people like that and it's not very warm and fuzzy...
The whole give the "poor" terrorists a break is exactly the reason we are in this situation in the first place.
The terrorist leaders do not seek justice, equality, help for the poor, or anything remotely related unless they can use the very concept (but not in reality) as a prop in their quest for power.
Extermination did not happen soon enough. Jordan may be a day late, but we can be grateful they are waking up.
The terrorist leaders do not seek justice, equality, help for the poor, or anything remotely related unless they can use the very concept (but not in reality) as a prop in their quest for power.
Extermination did not happen soon enough. Jordan may be a day late, but we can be grateful they are waking up.
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1. If you can't catch the leaders, they will, even if they temporarily run out of drones, continue their work. We rarely catch the leaders -- despite promises and great efforts.
2. The leaders will not run out of sheep as long as people have reason (apart from insane zeal) to believe to be better off or to do the right thing by joining terrorists. Nobody (apart from the insane) wakes up one morning and says to himself "It is a good day for joining a murderous organization."
Power, greed, it's the usual. Take away the reason for anybody to join them, and they are powerless.
You can't root out an anthill by killing the workers and soldiers! There will always be new ones until you have killed the breeding machine.
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Let me clarify, because my metaphor could easily be misinterpreted:
By "breeding machine" I mean the ones who create an idea, the brains behind the operation. I want Osama et al's heads on pointy sticks -- which is what was essentially promised.
By "breeding machine" I mean the ones who create an idea, the brains behind the operation. I want Osama et al's heads on pointy sticks -- which is what was essentially promised.
I'm not saying give anybody a break(although it might be good to lighten up people who just don't happen to agree with us), but until you address the reasons people decide to follow people who want to use terrorism you won't stop it.
Osama got his panties in a knot over our influence in the middle east, and he and others know where the fertile grounds for recruits lie.
Osama got his panties in a knot over our influence in the middle east, and he and others know where the fertile grounds for recruits lie.
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