edyvw
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He did not "blame" guns. He blamed how easily people get access.
So sad, when did being respectful become lost
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No, most gang bangers are mentally ill, if you want to go by the scientific definition instead of the legal one.
There's the rub. There's a substantial % of society that IS mentally ill and we can't lock them ALL up, and can't let them all be free to roam around either. Most are functional members of society that don't commit the worst of crimes, if any, but there is a fair argument to be made for certain peoples' mental illness, contributing to their criminal tendencies.
That does not mean we can't teach them a lesson in prison and keep them away from society while they (hopefully) learn the error of their ways. If they can be mentally ill as free citizens, they can be mentally ill while incarcerated too.
This situation has nothing to do with "eating that crap".
That person should have not gotten involved and should have called the police instead. He'd be alive today.
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This LEO was 64 years old and had decades of experience.
My point was not to pick on LEO's - more that this just happened in the last couple weeks and is local to me. My point was that if a LEO with decades of experience dealing with idiots can't keep his head at a fast food joint then something in the world has completely broken. I am not a physiologist so I have no clue what, but its clear from my daily observations that some subset of society is crazy and the social contract of dealing with others around them doesn't exist.
Empathy? He took it outside and got physical. Here’s an idea, counselor: whip out your wallet and give the guy some money. In my experience that has a magical calming effect on irate customers. That’s what the employee should have done. Remember the (actual) quote: The customer is always right in matters of taste. I’m not for rewarding bad behavior but most customers are good people and you have to move it along. My store even has a name for it, the appeasement card.
My thought is mind your business and ALWAYS be armed if legal in your state.
A LEO on a power trip? I'm completely shocked. <sarc>
I should be no surprise as people either treat them like they're gods gift to the world or truly despise them. The reality is that they fall somewhere in between.
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I wouldn't call if victim blaming. The victim physically assaulted the shooter and paid for it by the shooter who had even less common sense.
My guess would be that many of the folks that think any situation can be "de-escalated" have never had to deal with someone who is having a rage or manic episode. They simply cannot be placated in certain cases.
When I first started in EMS (26yrs as a paramedic) I had the notion (like many people) that people who were manic were not violent. I was wrong. My experiences tell me otherwise. I had a discussion years ago with a college professor who had taught psychology and had a private practice for 40+ yrs and he was shocked at the stories I related. He had never worked in the field and had no idea what went on, all he knew was his quiet office. There are plenty of days where I would have taken a trauma call over a psych call, the psych call can really suck the good out of you.
Given the sloppy nature of most reporting I would never begin to evaluate a situation from anything in the media. "good reporting isnt easy and easy reporting isnt good"
When I first started in EMS (26yrs as a paramedic) I had the notion (like many people) that people who were manic were not violent. I was wrong. My experiences tell me otherwise. I had a discussion years ago with a college professor who had taught psychology and had a private practice for 40+ yrs and he was shocked at the stories I related. He had never worked in the field and had no idea what went on, all he knew was his quiet office. There are plenty of days where I would have taken a trauma call over a psych call, the psych call can really suck the good out of you.
Given the sloppy nature of most reporting I would never begin to evaluate a situation from anything in the media. "good reporting isnt easy and easy reporting isnt good"
edyvw
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This is not picking on them. There are serious mental issues behind it and many agencies cannot deal with it. They don’t have resources etc. A little of resources they have, goes to daily operations.
I believe you, but this sort of thing did not happen 30 years ago. Things clearly have changed.
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I guess I missed the part in the article the shooter was diagnosed with behavioral health issues. I am not sure all the men beating and killing woman in Afghanistan have behavioral health issues, in most of those cases it cultural conditioning.
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Numerous comments on the article's author stating the victim pushed the gunman in the McDonald's parking lot.
Life experience suggest to me that the victim pushing the gunman in the parking lot is not holistically accurate nor the whole story.
Life experience suggest to me that the victim pushing the gunman in the parking lot is not holistically accurate nor the whole story.
I agree. Hurting other people should make you feel bad. You should feel bad seeing others suffer, especially if it's due to your actions. If feel bad, you are by definition minimally a sociopath and if you actually enjoy hurting others you are a psychopath. These people of course exist on a continuum, some only showing their sociopathy and psychopathy under extreme conditions, and some lose it at McDonald.
edyvw
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Police is expected to do A LOT these days. Local governments cut budgets drastically during 2007-2009 crisis, and LEO picked up that work. If you cut services, someone needs to pick up that work. Then, cutting budgets reflected on support services for LEO.
How does the saying go? No good deed goes unpunished?
Very sad story. Unfortunately, seems to happen a lot. People are crazy.....
Very sad story. Unfortunately, seems to happen a lot. People are crazy.....
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totally agree. too many young people born over the last 30 years NOT raised by their parents to know their Creator or right from wrong
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I go no place without my Ruger 9mm auto in my vehicle.
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