Snapper S40/Briggs Commercial Turf 130 hour update

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I've been posting various updates on this rig periodically, specifically the engine since there is seemingly little info out there - I meant to do a 100 hour update but obviously I'm a little late..

This mower is mainly used to maintain my neighbor's yard which is about 2 acres with LOTS of trees! Last I counted, there were 110 things to go around (trees, buildings, garden, fire pit and so on). Typically takes about 1.5 hours. My wife tends to horn in on the fun and mows our yard with my old Deere L110 and since she's such a team player, she'll help with the neighbor's place too... I guess it's a good problem to have 😂

I serviced the ZT2800 hydros at around 75 hours with Amsoil Hydrostatic Transmission Oil and OE Hydro Gear filters, but they didn't seem to notice much. MAYBE a little more responsive. The mower itself has received nothing but grease in the zerks and blades (I actually keep a spare set and just rotate them out). The engine is still running like a champ. It gets an air filter once a season and starts easily and the couple of cold start quirks like surging are gone - as soon as it fires, I push the choke off and it's just happy to be alive. I always let it idle for at least 5 minutes or so just off low idle before advancing the throttle and mowing (I generally feel the rocker cover and/or the oil filter for temp). I'm using Amsoil Small Engine 15w50 which went in at the same time as the hydro oil and am on my second season without adding oil - it'll come out at the end of this season with somewhere around 80-90 hours on it. I finally got around to checking the valve clearance yesterday and they in fact were in need. The spec is .004"-.006" and 3 were at almost .012" and one (an exhaust) was at .007"-.008" Now they're at .005", but really I don't notice much of a difference - maybe a little less tappy sounding. I pulled the plugs (Champion) for the first time yesterday and they're juuuuuust starting to round the edges off the electrodes - I'll probably toss a set in at the end of the season.

In short, this thing is a solid running twin that's relatively easy on fuel with lots of power and I consider it to be the best small engine that I've owned so far - it has definitely changed my mind about Briggs OPE.
 
I've got a Ferris IS700 with the Commercial Turf engine. Mine has about 165 hrs. Same experience as you. I also put the Amsoil Hydro oil and didn't notice any difference. It is a pain to change it on the Ferris as the oil fill hole is right under a frame member. I cut about 3 acres of hilly rough ground. I wouldn't say it's great on fuel because of that. Before I bought it I asked the head mechanic if that engine had any plastic parts internally like some do. He said no. It was the first year the engine came out and he had not seen any issues with it. So the engine has been out for 7 yrs.
 
In short, this thing is a solid running twin that's relatively easy on fuel with lots of power and I consider it to be the best small engine that I've owned so far - it has definitely changed my mind about Briggs OPE.

You wouldn't be thinking that if you saw the number of failed B&S engines I've been seeing lately... we're on the 5th one in the past month. All on brand new machines with less than 10 hours on them.

For clarification: all these failures have been on the 19.5 horse big singles, but the twins aren't immune. Had one last week that was leaking oil from around the threads of one of the crankcase bolts. Less than an hour of run time on it.
 
You wouldn't be thinking that if you saw the number of failed B&S engines I've been seeing lately... we're on the 5th one in the past month. All on brand new machines with less than 10 hours on them.

For clarification: all these failures have been on the 19.5 horse big singles, but the twins aren't immune. Had one last week that was leaking oil from around the threads of one of the crankcase bolts. Less than an hour of run time on it.
Well maybe I should reserve judgement? Isn't Briggs going through a bankruptcy? Maybe that's biting them in the you-know-what??

Maybe mine was built in a more prosperous and therefor better era?
 
Well maybe I should reserve judgement? Isn't Briggs going through a bankruptcy? Maybe that's biting them in the you-know-what??

Maybe mine was built in a more prosperous and therefor better era?
A quick Google shows they declared back in 2020, but nothing recent. I should clarify: I own a Briggs V-twin powered mower (circa 2014) and it runs absolutely flawlessly at just over 200 hours.

If anyone is in the market currently, do NOT purchase a Briggs powered machine unless it's a commercial unit.
 
Well maybe I should reserve judgement? Isn't Briggs going through a bankruptcy? Maybe that's biting them in the you-know-what??

Maybe mine was built in a more prosperous and therefor better era?
Their homeowner "Intek" series of engines are junk. Barely last through warranty with multiple design flaws. A far cry from the old indestructible flathead engines. The commercial turf series are a bit better, closer to what their old engines were quality wise and will last with good maintenance. I have used a few of them on garden tractor and zero-turn re-powers for customers and they are still going strong. The Vanguards are much better built than any of their other offerings, but are not as popular as the other commercial engines like Kawasaki and Kohler.
 
Their homeowner "Intek" series of engines are junk. Barely last through warranty with multiple design flaws. A far cry from the old indestructible flathead engines. The commercial turf series are a bit better, closer to what their old engines were quality wise and will last with good maintenance. I have used a few of them on garden tractor and zero-turn re-powers for customers and they are still going strong. The Vanguards are much better built than any of their other offerings, but are not as popular as the other commercial engines like Kawasaki and Kohler.
So what sort of failures do you typically see on these engines? I have a 22 HP Intek V-Twin with 290 hours on it. Your post seems to suggest that I am living on borrowed time.

Now if and when it does go I would love to own a water cooled diesel tractator, but that's a discussion for another day.
 
I have always had Briggs powered riding mowers and have not lost any motors. I have a 20hp and a 19.5hp. Have at least 10 years on one and 6 yrs on the other. I only use 30wt HD oil. Not one failure.
 
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