Small Pickup Fuel Economy?

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Originally posted by TheTanSedan:
Far safer, cheaper, more roadworthy is a decently sized sedan (that with a small trailer can do better than 90% the same job as the pickup),

I agree.

Can you find me a car that can tow at least 1,500lbs, can pull a 8ft. trailer, and has the ground clearance of my truck pictured here?
http://www.louisville.edu/~jlells01/IM000346.JPG

I can think of many that meet the first two, but they all sit too low to the ground to be of any good to me...
 
You obviously live in the city...

For instance, my friends Volvo 850 (GLT, not lowered T5 model) would slightly scrape on the undercarriage when going down MY DRIVEWAY!!

I'm no longer at home for any period of time (ok, summer and winter breaks), but during the past few weeks my brother has had my '92 4.3L C1500, he has (to my knowledge):

Towed 4,500 of concrete sand
Hauled five 4'x8' sheets of AdvanTech (sp?) board for a loft a friend is constructing
Hauled two small doe
Hauled five bags of horse feed and treats
Bed full of hay
Two bed fulls of trash
Used powerline service road twice to get to deer area...heavily rutted out and requires that tires be kept spinning to keep them clean of mud buildup (if my truck didn't have a limited-slip in the rear, he wouldn't have a chance of making it down that trail).

Mom currently has a SUV and finds it very inconvienant to need a trailer all the time to tow stuff around (especially if you're out doing something, need to transport something, and don't have the trailer hooked on)

If you live in the city or live out in the country and already have a truck, I can fully understand why you shouldn't get a truck...absolutely no point for the few times a year you'll actually use it (when a trailer would do the job just as well).

For my family, friends and I though, when you use a trucks capability all the time, a car would wind up damaged quickly and always having a trailer on would be inconvienant...

[ December 08, 2004, 02:04 AM: Message edited by: Jelly ]
 
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Originally posted by TheTanSedan:
Fuel mileage is way overrated. It is generally 10-12% the total cost of the vehicle in terms of ownership. Most important is depreciation.

On a vehicle kept 12-15 years (with little regard to odometer mileage as this is when the electrical system starts to go permanently hinky), and used doller value is at the lowest point (also when dealerships/auto parts chains dump parts/supplies from inventory), the cost of fuel is still far behind depreciation and the cost of full insurance.

Barely.


Looks like you have been buying the wrong make of vehicle, But lets do some math here, if you don't mind I'll use my truck as an example (As I know the figs)
Bought in 93 at the end of it's lease for $7,000can value today $3,000*
used for about 200,000 miles average mpg (imp gallons) 30mpg, cost of gas average $2.50 can = $16,666 or about 4 times the depreciated value.
OK, I've needed mufflers, tires, a battery and a Alternator re-build along the way, but that's pocket change, (the muffers are free, Walker lifetime warranty, I've had 5 of them
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Why would I want Full insurance on a truck this old?
* $3,000 would be a very low price in my area, engine was just rebuilt, Full engine kit cost $200 US Machine shop labour about $200can
The thing is, a truck still has a life as a Farm/Utility Vehicle long after a sedan has been hauled away as scrap because people would not be seen Dead in it.
 
First, I know folks can go cheap on "old" vehicles, I just never saw the point. If I can't get in the vehicle and run to Los Angeles in a day and half (1400-miles) then it's time to get another. And, since I have no plans to do so, then strict maintenance and repair schedules are called for.

There are several cars/trucks in my family history the past 30-years able to always do this up to and beyond 15-years.

Age and mileage aren't the problem. Maintenance and repairs are. Commercial and military vehicles of every description are not otherwise operated or are sold/surplused if maintenance funds not forthcoming.

Second, a semi-useful vehicle has no place, IMHO, in a well-planned budget. Insurance (liability only), taxes, inspections and basic maintenance make for an awfully-expensive "part-time" vehicle.

Therefore, just because it is 9-years old and has over 135,000 miles on the clock is NO REASON to let things slide. It still has another 3 to 6 years of service expected from it. Go anywhere, do anything. I currently have two 2001 Chrysler vehicles (XJ Cherokee JEEP and 2wd DODGE Ram 1500) that will hit 100k this next year.

So, over the next calendar year each will be getting new: springs, shocks, alternator, starter, sensors, etc & misc, so that component failure doesn't lead to being out of service. (Have posted about this previously; strict annual fluid/filter changes; belts and hoses every 30-50k, etc).

My out-of-pocket expense may seem high, but my overall long-term cost-per-mile remains constant, and low.

Third, as to living in the country, I'd expect that the utility of a truck/SUV would be handy. (But ask yourself how it was done by folks in the same situation 40-years ago when there were but few pickups used as family vehicles; those folks still -- somehow -- did what was needed).

Sure, a trailer can be "inconvenient", but only a little planning can take care of that. (Or, paying for delivery by distributor/retailer is still cheaper than operating a truck/SUV.) Ask your brother what his operating expense is per mile.

All things are a trade-off. If I pay for "convenience" now, that is simply less money to be put to use for long-term return. A vehicle has no "return" outside of making my paid time more efficent. My unpaid time is sheer expense.(Thus the comment about ego. Twenty years ago few people drove Suburban-sized anything. And millions of mommies better off in minivans have suddenly -- dollar-wise stupidly -- decided that a 12 mpg truck is the better way to go).

That is the math that counts: Separating reason from unreason via dollars-and-cents.

Planning for retirement, education, unemployment, health crisis? Then I should ask myself WHY am (if average) throwing $25k out the window every decade or less. Before ROI and compound interest.
 
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Originally posted by TheTanSedan:
Third, as to living in the country, I'd expect that the utility of a truck/SUV would be handy. (But ask yourself how it was done by folks in the same situation 40-years ago when there were but few pickups used as family vehicles; those folks still -- somehow -- did what was needed).

Sure, a trailer can be "inconvenient", but only a little planning can take care of that. (Or, paying for delivery by distributor/retailer is still cheaper than operating a truck/SUV.) Ask your brother what his operating expense is per mile.


So you do live in the city...
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40 years ago, what wasn't around back home was four-wheel drive. Pickups were EVERYWHERE...regular cab, 2wd, long-bed.

Operating expense per mile? A car with the lowest expenses per mile is absolutely useless if it can't even go down my driveway without ripping off the low-hanging front plastic bumper or make it back up out of there in the winter...
 
Yeah, Ill never go without a truck again. I got one about a year and a half ago and I can make it last me 25+ years if needed. Right now its at 14K hwy miles and garaged almost every day/night. Oil changes are easy. Transmission bolt and dipstick make a drain and fill easy. Rear diff has drain bolt. I got a limited slip off of ebay that I might get installed. I dont have kids yet but I have no doubt it will last until at least one of them is old enough to drive it. American love trucks!

BTW, theres 2 crown vics in the family too. My bro gets 10mpg in town and dad does not care, never checks. And they arent quite big enough for 6 adults comfortably, but there are 6 seatbelts if needed in a pinch.
 
I won't argue the "utility" of a truck, there'd be no point.

But grading and surfacing a driveway would be a long-term return on investment, especially if one does not otherwise "need" (versus "want") a truck.

If the "utility" of a vehicle is only ground clearance, then . . . ?

A driveway, even a short piece, provides all-weather access/egress.

What would a local real estate agent give as the cost of recovery, percentage, of a driveway for that property? 5% . . 80%? 140%

I am only trying to pose questions which can be answered in dollars-and-sense terms.

Thus, the original subject of small-truck fuel economy: Fuel economy is but 10-12% of the total cost of ownership. Do the numbers, all of them, justify the expense?

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Just pulled some numbers from last years taxes, Last year was not typical, I spent a good bit of time on Vacation, but here's what I have:
Truck millage; 12,399 miles. Insurance and Tax:$649. Oil, Parts and repairs; $291.22. Gas;$1302.78 Actual Depreciation, on a 14 year old truck, Who can say?? Downtime/Brakedowns O
Please theTansedan give some numbers not Percentages.
 
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Originally posted by Jelly:
Maybe someone smarter can enlighten me here.

I'm currently driving around a V6 Chevy sedan that is EPA rated for 19 MPG city and 29 MPG highway (my pickup's back home where it's much more practical for my brother than this car), and I've been averaging a little over 25 with it.

Something I've been curious about is the fuel economy of small pickups. Took a look at Chevy's website and they list a rating of 20/26 for their new Colorado set up in the most basic form:

Regular Cab
2wd
I-4 Engine
5-Speed Manual

I figured that these compact trucks with I-4 engines and manual transmissions could match the fuel economy of the large sedan I've been driving around.

Am I expecting too much here?


Jelly, I was expecting a lot out of the Colorado, but now that I see it for real with the price tag and mpg...it's not really an economy truck.

I think Chevy also reduced towing capacity for much better road handling, reasoning you would step up to full-size if you needed it. Not sure the Colorado is a good comparison tool, as it is a bit unique.
 
I don't think any small pickups get that great of mileage now. Nissan, Toyota and Dodge are pushing big V6s and V8s. They are suffering because people are just spending an extra few bucks on a full size. GM's 2.8 and 3.5 seem to be a good move, because they offer better mileage then the competitors V6s.

-T
 
High-mileage fourteen year-old truck used in daily service?

Ideal from the standpoint of dollars spent and value received.

12-15 years is ideal, especially if one has been able to forego the cost of a new vehicle at the 5-7 year point. Money available for investment.
 
Bottom line ...newer small pickups suck at gas mileage. They typically aren't the lean stripped down versions that we saw with the old S10, Couriers, Nissan, Toys. They're now over weight ..comfy-cozied out and major pigs.
 
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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Bottom line ...newer small pickups suck at gas mileage. They typically aren't the lean stripped down versions that we saw with the old S10, Couriers, Nissan, Toys. They're now over weight ..comfy-cozied out and major pigs.

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I agree, I left a post a wile back saying that I feel I have to rebuild the engine on my 90 Toyota 22r, because there is not a suitable, Bog Standard, work Truck out there to replace it.
 
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Originally posted by Pick:
...A friend, who is a mechanic, told me the money you save in gas with a small vehicle, is negated by the increased cost in parts and labor to repair it. Full size vehicles cost less to repair, so even though you spend more for gas, you spend less on repairs, so the overall cost of ownership over the life of a full size vehicle is less than a small compact vehicle. (According to him) It would be an interesting study, if someone was inclined to do so.

Not in my personal experience. Our Cavaliers have been extremely reliable and cheap to operate and 34 mpg sure is nice these days. sbc350gearhead hit the nail on the head, trucks are geared lower, have more friction loss in the drivetrain and are not nearly as sleek in the wind.
 
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