Small car drivers - let's here from you!

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Originally Posted By: firemachine69
1991 Toyota Tercel - should have never sold it but I wanted something "newer"
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2002 Pontiac Sunfire - needs a bit of work done, but likely will be roadworthy again to replace:

2007 Toyota Yaris - fifth time the check engine light comes on. Going on it's fourth shop visit. Last Toyota I will EVER buy. I'll likely go back to my Sunfire until the new Ford Fiesta comes out. Decent commuter car if you don't count the mechanical issues.


I would lemon law that yaris
 
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
1991 Toyota Tercel - should have never sold it but I wanted something "newer"
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2002 Pontiac Sunfire - needs a bit of work done, but likely will be roadworthy again to replace:

2007 Toyota Yaris - fifth time the check engine light comes on. Going on it's fourth shop visit. Last Toyota I will EVER buy. I'll likely go back to my Sunfire until the new Ford Fiesta comes out. Decent commuter car if you don't count the mechanical issues.


I would lemon law that yaris


+1 for that advice. Ridiculous to put up with that out of a new car, let alone a Toyota. Get your money back!
 
In my heart, I'm a pickup truck guy and always have been; however, due to the fact that I drive so far to work, I've driven small cars for many years. My current car is a '00 VW GTI.

If I worked within 20 miles of my home, I'd drive a pickup, probably a 4x4. Since I commute nearly 90 miles a day, I keep driving "Little Red". She gets me 27-29 mpg.
 
If I could have any vehicle that I've owned before back, It would be either my 1996 C1500 4.3lV6 truck or my 2000 Silverado 4x4 4.8l ext cab truck. (both 5 speed manuals)

IF I did not have to pay for the fuel. Both got over 20mpg but with all the miles I drive, small car for me.

I agree with you, *if* I did not drive so much I'd be in a truck also. Just a lot more useful for the things I like to do... (go shooting for one)
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
1991 Toyota Tercel - should have never sold it but I wanted something "newer"
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2002 Pontiac Sunfire - needs a bit of work done, but likely will be roadworthy again to replace:

2007 Toyota Yaris - fifth time the check engine light comes on. Going on it's fourth shop visit. Last Toyota I will EVER buy. I'll likely go back to my Sunfire until the new Ford Fiesta comes out. Decent commuter car if you don't count the mechanical issues.


I would lemon law that yaris


+1 for that advice. Ridiculous to put up with that out of a new car, let alone a Toyota. Get your money back!


Canada doesn't have specific lemon laws. I am in touch with the owner of the franchise, and a match has been lit under their arses. I'm pretty sure the owner wants to settle quietly however, as my local news/advertising contacts have received a sudden interest from the local 'yota dealership I'm currently dealing with in regards to a "silver Yaris with possible negative campaigning".

Did I mention the car has barely over 8K miles?

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It's good to know people.
 
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
2007 Toyota Yaris - fifth time the check engine light comes on. Going on it's fourth shop visit. Last Toyota I will EVER buy. I'll likely go back to my Sunfire until the new Ford Fiesta comes out. Decent commuter car if you don't count the mechanical issues.


I think that it's easy to say that you got a lemon. Do a search online and you will find that the Yaris is pretty [censored] reliable/problem free.

What issues have you had exactly? Do you know the codes? What was replaced under warranty?
 
P0420. Catalyst Below threshold. They said they pulled all the sensors and fuel injectors, to inspect them, in under an hour. Right. 02 sensors come out like butter.
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I wouldn't be so bad if they were attentive, but I hate being treated like an idiot and given the run-around. And I bought my Yaris based on all the positive reviews of reliability online.
 
99 Hyundai Elantra with the 5-speed manual. Spent way too much modding it, then it got totaled when some idiot stopped right under the crest of a hill. But that was one fun car to drive with the 2nd gear capable of pulling to 60+ mph and 35 mpg highway.

Currently lumbering around in a Buick LeSabre. Strangely enough, it gets 32 mpg highway and about 20 around town. Only slightly worse than the Elantra it replaced with 25/35 mpg.

Plans are to get a newish Civic or other smaller car capable of getting ~30 mpg around town. Maybe a diesel Jetta because diesels are plain cool.
 
Every one says to get a new one.... its very tough to get a new one under the Lemon Law.

We got a 2007 Civic and I really don't consider it a 'small car' cause over the years it has gotten bigger and bigger.
 
I had a 90 Festiva, 86 Cavalier, 85 Cavalier, 88 Festiva, 98 Escort, 91 Festiva, 94 Aspire and 95 Aspire. Most of those I didn't keep over 6 months unless I had a long commute. Growing up on a farm I guess I just prefer a small truck.. big trucks never was my thing. My current Ranger fits me perfectly.
 
I have never owned a tank and can't imagine encumbering my self with 2-3 tons of truck to get somewhere.

55 Nash Rambler-strong parental influence
57 Chevy
64 Triumph TR 4 sitck
68 Chevele stick
71 Valient, the Scamp that looked like a Dart
81 Phoneix stick
92 Grand Am, HO quad 4 with 5 speed, would lay rubber in third
02 Cavalier stick, Ecotec Only this year have had to replace other than wear items.

Yes, sometime you do need a truck. That is why I have a 77 LUV.
 
OK, I'll play. Way back when, Dad bought a brand new, 1959 Opel station wagon- model was called a Rekord Caravan. Drove Mom & me from NE TX to Philmont Scout Ranch & back in that car! For much of my childhood, I remember gas station attendants walking around it, looking at it sideways,& asking,"Whut kinda car *Is* that?"
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4-cyl inline, ~50 HP, larger inside than outside, looked a little like a 55-56 Chevy that shrunk in the rain. Began coming apart around 40,000 miles.

Fast forward to a couple of years after getting rid of it- Dad got another Opel, a Rekord sedan, *cheap*, had been sitting up a couple of years somewhere. Since by then he was pretty good at workin' on 'em, put it right & Mom drove it 100 miles a day for 2 semesters when she went back to get her degree. Still had it when I got my license- I remember driving it in one of our semi-rare snowfalls, on *slick*(& I mean really bald & rounded!) wide whitewall tires! Great fun. It died after about a year.

About a year after Opel sedan died- you guessed it- *another Opel, a wagon, showed up & he bought that- Dad wouldn't say so, but he bought it mainly so ther'd be something I could drive. We had that about a year, a burnt-orange Opel wagon. Sevral stories of things we shouldn't have done in our high school days go with the little "UT" wagon, but I won't tell any of them here.
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I never had a Falcon or Chevy II or Valiant/Dart, but for a fewmonths I did own a ~59 Studebaker Lark V-8- you guessed it- station wagon. Bought it for something like $75, drove it a few months, sold it for $75, still smoking like crazy & killing evry mosquito within a half-mile. It was kida small sized, but burned gas like a big car, even though it had a manual trans(3-on-the-tree, of course!) with an honest to goodness overdrive.
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A few years later, at age 21, I bought my first new car- a 74 Pinto station wagon. Big mistake! I married into a VW bug, & we later bought a Maverick, cheap, from her brother. About the end of 1975, bought the Volvo 122S 4-dr. I kept it after the divorce, & didn't sell it until ~Sept of 1997!

Why did I sell the Volvo in fall 97? Because that summer I bought a new- Dodge Neon! And I still have the Neon, it's my onlycar.

So you could say I have something of a history with small cars.
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I even think I've forgoten at least one- AHA! For about 1year I had- another Opel! this one was an Opel Rallye 2-dr sedan, silver with flat black hood, about a 1971 model. A year or two later, they called that body style the Opel Manta. Had that car just before the Pinto wagon. This was the little sport coupe, not the Opel GT that looked like a tiny baby Corvette.

Wrecked it, got it fixed, sold it. Also, then-wife & I had, for a short time, a sweet little Audi 100 LS- that was probably in 1977-78. See, I forgot Two- I won't be surprised if I should remember another one or more!
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If I were in the market for another car, would it be another small one? Maybe- but I sure do like that big Crown Vic.
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I haven't been driving for long at all compared to many here and have only had three cars of my own, but they've all been small:

1988 Tercel 3 door (4 speed MT)
1983 Datsun 280zx (5 speed MT)
2007 Civic (5 speed MT)

Growing up we had a mixture of sizes, from a first gen Accord and second gen Civic to a Chevy Caprice, a Ford Granada, and a Buick LeSabre. I'll probably always own smaller cars (even if they're not economy cars) because I prefer lighter and quicker handling, and easier parking. Although I don't have anything against big cars either and part of me would like to have something like a Crown Vic at some point just for a different feel. Probably not as an only car though :)
 
I like smaller cars, I feel like I have more control over them. My Integra is a bit smaller than my old Altima and I love it. Plenty of room for me and my needs, I don't have any kids so the back seats are rarely used anyhow.
 
I love my Civic. Small cars clean up faster. Like rationull I think I'll keep owning small cars in the future unless circumstances do not permit it.
 
Small cars make finding parking a little easier. Being used to riding midsized cars and vans which my family had since I was a kid, getting in a small car felt crammed. But after getting used to driving smaller cars, I really like smaller cars.

2002 VW Jetta 2.0L. Although not a very powerful or responsive engine, I like the overall feel of the car. The steering feels just right, not too tight or loose. The trunk is fairly large and could fit a lot of stuff in there. Rear seats room is a little small and narrow.

1994 Acura Integra. Learned to drive stick shift with this car. Haven't driven other manual cars but the clutch pedal feels like it requires a bit of effort. Engine is very responsive and smooth.
 
83 Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 2 Door-Stick
89 Corolla GL-Stick
85 Celica GT hatchback-Stick
95 Civic hatchback-Stick
99 Civic Ferio SIR-Stick
94 Accord 2door Coupe-Auto (current)
99 Civic EX Sedan-Auto (current)
 
I think living in France when I was younger really seasoned my hatred of small cars. Over there, ALL cars were small. My moms side of the family had an assorted mixture of Citroën, Renault (yes, an aunt had a LeCar), and Bugatti. Stateside my dad was rolling in Lincolns, New Yorkers, and 98's. I longed for those cars while I was away, the Euro cars just felt cramped and cheap. I still prefer big cars that handle well, even though they don't manufacture "big" cars anymore. With the death of the Crown Vic/Towncar/Grand Marquis platform, that leaves the Buick and the Caddy CTS platform as the only true big cars left, and these would have barely qualified as mid-sized a couple of generations back.

Having said that, I've owned a few small cars; an 83 Cavalier, 87 Sentra, and a couple of S-Series Saturns. The Cavalier got the job done, but it was cramped. I'm 6'1", 185 pounds and I have a hard time getting comfortable in small cars. The Sentra had more leg room, but my head touched the ceiling. The Saturns give me adequate enough room for a car that size, and the 5-speeds are fun to drive. My head comes uncomfortably close to the headliner though, and for someone that does a lot of driving like I do a small car just doesn't cut it in the long term comfort department. Even though it gets great fuel mileage, when it comes to 100+ mile trips I have to drive my Buick or Crown Vic. I start feeling claustrophobic in small cars when I'm doing anything other than bopping around town on short trips.
 
Originally Posted By: kingrob
I think living in France when I was younger really seasoned my hatred of small cars. Over there, ALL cars were small.


I'm sorry you never came across anything larger than a small French car. I don't know where you stayed, because there were (and there are) plenty larger cars. For example, the Peugeot 504 was exceedingly popular not only in France, but all across Europe. Neither the Citroën CM nor the CX were small. The recent C5 and C6 are also large cars.

I learned driving with a Peugeot 205 and Golf, which both were small cars. Although, like you, I am 6' 1" (with long legs, which makes seat adjustability very important) and I fit perfectly in even the 205 without ever feeling cramped. Headroom might of course be an issue depending on the car, the seats, but mostly your upper body length determines headroom: some folks are nearly as tall sitting as they are standing up.
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While a small car like that wouldn't have been my primary choice for driving all day long, I certainly neither wanted nor needed to drive a boat like a large Opel (Rekord, Commodore, etc) when time came to get my own car.

I have owned slightly larger cars, among them a used Century and Celebrity wagon during my post uni days when traveling NA extensively. Due to the amount of gear I was hauling, a car of that (medium) size was necessary. These days I don't haul any big cargo or lumber, so I prefer a relatively small vehicle that makes the most sense to me for my particular purpose. From a practical standpoint, I should have possibly gone with the wagon version of my A4, but I really did feel I needed a trunk. As for long distance driving, I have no problem driving my A4 all day and night.
 
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I'm sorry you never came across anything larger than a small French car. I don't know where you stayed, because there were (and there are) plenty larger cars. For example, the Peugeot 504 was exceedingly popular not only in France, but all across Europe. Neither the Citroën CM nor the CX were small. The recent C5 and C6 are also large cars.


We stayed mainly in the Haute-Normandie region, but most of the summers were spent in Paris. I saw a lot of the 504 Peugot models, but unless they became large later on all of the late seventies/early eighties models were about the size of a Civic. Not unless I'm thinking of another model?

You're correct, the CX Citroën was a large car, and I always liked the looks of them, somewhat Saab-ish. I saw quite a few on the road back then. I'm not familiar with the CM model, though.
 
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