Seems like all this kraziness happens to the most bankrupt states.
What a surprise.
What a surprise.
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SIX year old being charged with sexual assault?
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You also need to take these following article comments with a grain of salt:
"“From the beginning, it was our hope and our goal to work this out between the families and to talk and figure out what was happening privately,” the girl’s father told the State Journal. “We were not given that opportunity by the (boy’s) family.”
First, as usual, the media reports stuff to steer you towards making implications without knowing ALL of the facts.
Can you blame the boys family???? Anyone who has dealt with law enforcement, social services, and/or the judicial system KNOWS that it is best not to trust ANYONE with your comments.
From experience, I KNOW that comments made with the idea of being cooperative and truthful can and are twisted later on to be used against you.
Here would be a example. Lets say the boys parents confide that one time he woke up and walked into the TV room to see Sex and the City actors bumping and grinding doggy style. Maybe the child was imitating what he saw mom and dad watching on TV. The prosecutors turn this incident into "the parents allowed little Johnny to view inappropriate material leading to his illegal activities". YES, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Then, when you are afraid to cooperate and be truthful, THAT is held against you (as implied in the article).
It's a no win situation. I would NEVER trust law enforcement, social services, or the prosecutors without a lawyer present.
Been there, done that. It's a sad situation they have created.
"“From the beginning, it was our hope and our goal to work this out between the families and to talk and figure out what was happening privately,” the girl’s father told the State Journal. “We were not given that opportunity by the (boy’s) family.”
First, as usual, the media reports stuff to steer you towards making implications without knowing ALL of the facts.
Can you blame the boys family???? Anyone who has dealt with law enforcement, social services, and/or the judicial system KNOWS that it is best not to trust ANYONE with your comments.
From experience, I KNOW that comments made with the idea of being cooperative and truthful can and are twisted later on to be used against you.
Here would be a example. Lets say the boys parents confide that one time he woke up and walked into the TV room to see Sex and the City actors bumping and grinding doggy style. Maybe the child was imitating what he saw mom and dad watching on TV. The prosecutors turn this incident into "the parents allowed little Johnny to view inappropriate material leading to his illegal activities". YES, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Then, when you are afraid to cooperate and be truthful, THAT is held against you (as implied in the article).
It's a no win situation. I would NEVER trust law enforcement, social services, or the prosecutors without a lawyer present.
Been there, done that. It's a sad situation they have created.
What I dont understand is this,it was kids,it isnt something to make a federal case out of.It seems that the little girl is just as much to blame here as the boy,why isnt she being treated the same?Kids do these types of things,you dont arrest them.While a parent may not want this to happen,if so,keep their child locked up in a room and hog tied.
I dont really mean to keep a child locked up and tied,I am just stating that this is something that many kids do and it is almost impossible to keep them from it.If you did a survey and people gave a true answer,it would probably be 90% that have done something like this as a child.
If the little boy truly needs help,dont put him through all of this garbage,hold the parents responsible.This could destroy the child for life.This seems to be more of the "make a name for myself" mentality that doesnt really help anyone and actually destroys many in the process.
The parents need to keep quiet as has been said unless a lawyer is present.If anyone thinks that the a cop or DA wont lie to you,they have their head in the sand.If anyone has ever watched Dateline NBC or similar shows,they know that the police and DA's will lie and do whatever it takes to try and make a person guilty,regardless.
It was on one of these type shows recently about a man that had been in prison for about 10-12 years.He was made to be guilty by cops etc. and was finally found innocent because of I think DNA.This man was married and had small kids when he went to prison.His life was ruined by the "injustice" system that he dealt with.
During his trial,the DA was told by the person that really commited the crimes that this guy wasnt involved.The DA denied being told this.I think he told several times that the man in question wasnt involved.
The DA at the time this took place was later severely admonished by a judge for his actions and the way that he handled the case.He is no longer a DA.
Dont get me wrong,all police etc. are not crooked but it seems that the huge majority is.
I dont really mean to keep a child locked up and tied,I am just stating that this is something that many kids do and it is almost impossible to keep them from it.If you did a survey and people gave a true answer,it would probably be 90% that have done something like this as a child.
If the little boy truly needs help,dont put him through all of this garbage,hold the parents responsible.This could destroy the child for life.This seems to be more of the "make a name for myself" mentality that doesnt really help anyone and actually destroys many in the process.
The parents need to keep quiet as has been said unless a lawyer is present.If anyone thinks that the a cop or DA wont lie to you,they have their head in the sand.If anyone has ever watched Dateline NBC or similar shows,they know that the police and DA's will lie and do whatever it takes to try and make a person guilty,regardless.
It was on one of these type shows recently about a man that had been in prison for about 10-12 years.He was made to be guilty by cops etc. and was finally found innocent because of I think DNA.This man was married and had small kids when he went to prison.His life was ruined by the "injustice" system that he dealt with.
During his trial,the DA was told by the person that really commited the crimes that this guy wasnt involved.The DA denied being told this.I think he told several times that the man in question wasnt involved.
The DA at the time this took place was later severely admonished by a judge for his actions and the way that he handled the case.He is no longer a DA.
Dont get me wrong,all police etc. are not crooked but it seems that the huge majority is.
If I'm a judge I'll throw this case out.
Originally Posted By: motorguy222
It was on one of these type shows recently about a man that had been in prison for about 10-12 years.He was made to be guilty by cops etc. and was finally found innocent because of I think DNA.This man was married and had small kids when he went to prison.His life was ruined by the "injustice" system that he dealt with.
During his trial,the DA was told by the person that really commited the crimes that this guy wasnt involved.The DA denied being told this.I think he told several times that the man in question wasnt involved.
The DA at the time this took place was later severely admonished by a judge for his actions and the way that he handled the case.He is no longer a DA.
Dont get me wrong,all police etc. are not crooked but it seems that the huge majority is.
John Grisham wrote a non-fiction book about a case like this (can't recall the title): guy was railroaded by a small town sheriff and convicted of murder. He actually confessed to it, even though he didn't do it, after something like 8 hours of heavy handed interrogation - with no lawyer present.
His court appointed lawyer was incompetent (spent much of the trial asleep) and long past retirement. Guy wound up getting the death penalty and spending 7 years on death row before some pro bono outfit that specialized in death penalty cases became involved. After several appeals, he was finally acquitted and they later got the guy who actually did it.
He had a mental illness as well (bipolar disorder) that was never properly treated while he was in prison, and he totally lost his mind while on death row.
Really good book, really well written.
I agree with the poster who stated there is a lot of anti-male sexism in our society. Its in the work place, the justice system, everywhere. I remember awhile back a guy commenting about a girl looking hot as she walked past (another co-worker). She took it to HR and they offered him a choice: quit or they'd fire him. He quit. Not an isolated example, just one of the many where - if the shoe were reversed - it would have been handled very differently.
In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder
It was on one of these type shows recently about a man that had been in prison for about 10-12 years.He was made to be guilty by cops etc. and was finally found innocent because of I think DNA.This man was married and had small kids when he went to prison.His life was ruined by the "injustice" system that he dealt with.
During his trial,the DA was told by the person that really commited the crimes that this guy wasnt involved.The DA denied being told this.I think he told several times that the man in question wasnt involved.
The DA at the time this took place was later severely admonished by a judge for his actions and the way that he handled the case.He is no longer a DA.
Dont get me wrong,all police etc. are not crooked but it seems that the huge majority is.
John Grisham wrote a non-fiction book about a case like this (can't recall the title): guy was railroaded by a small town sheriff and convicted of murder. He actually confessed to it, even though he didn't do it, after something like 8 hours of heavy handed interrogation - with no lawyer present.
His court appointed lawyer was incompetent (spent much of the trial asleep) and long past retirement. Guy wound up getting the death penalty and spending 7 years on death row before some pro bono outfit that specialized in death penalty cases became involved. After several appeals, he was finally acquitted and they later got the guy who actually did it.
He had a mental illness as well (bipolar disorder) that was never properly treated while he was in prison, and he totally lost his mind while on death row.
Really good book, really well written.
I agree with the poster who stated there is a lot of anti-male sexism in our society. Its in the work place, the justice system, everywhere. I remember awhile back a guy commenting about a girl looking hot as she walked past (another co-worker). She took it to HR and they offered him a choice: quit or they'd fire him. He quit. Not an isolated example, just one of the many where - if the shoe were reversed - it would have been handled very differently.
In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Al
I played "Doctor" when I was little. This is nuts.
Who hasnt?
I played "Doctor" when I was little. This is nuts.
Who hasnt?
I agree, this whole prosecution is insane. What ever happened to the idea of just telling a kid what and what not to do in a given social situation?
Originally Posted By: Cristobal
I agree, this whole prosecution is insane. What ever happened to the idea of just telling a kid what and what not to do in a given social situation?
At 6 years of age, they're not going to fully appreciate the answer: they may understand a specific instruction, but they're a long ways from learning the subtleties we take for granted, and not able to generalize it to other situation that are equally bad for the same reasons, but not specific to what they were told not to do. No parent can anticipate every possible situation.
Much of learning used to be stuff instilled into you by family during your formative years - you messed up, and were punished accordingly. Now it seems to be shifted more and more to teachers, social services, and police. Either they're assuming the role or parents are shifting it to them. Or its a bit of both.
I just call it part of the rot that's taken hold within society today. Part of a modern culture where abandoning one's roles, responsibilities, and buck passing are celebrated and encouraged. The MSM is complicit in this, though its not just the media.
-Spyder
I agree, this whole prosecution is insane. What ever happened to the idea of just telling a kid what and what not to do in a given social situation?
At 6 years of age, they're not going to fully appreciate the answer: they may understand a specific instruction, but they're a long ways from learning the subtleties we take for granted, and not able to generalize it to other situation that are equally bad for the same reasons, but not specific to what they were told not to do. No parent can anticipate every possible situation.
Much of learning used to be stuff instilled into you by family during your formative years - you messed up, and were punished accordingly. Now it seems to be shifted more and more to teachers, social services, and police. Either they're assuming the role or parents are shifting it to them. Or its a bit of both.
I just call it part of the rot that's taken hold within society today. Part of a modern culture where abandoning one's roles, responsibilities, and buck passing are celebrated and encouraged. The MSM is complicit in this, though its not just the media.
-Spyder
Quote: In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
Quote: In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
No she actually got a 7 year sentence, which is reasonable. Here is a better example of the type thing I've seen in the news way too many times now.
Quote:
Donna Fitchett is a worthless thing who in 2005 drugged and then “strangled or smothered” her two sons, Matthew and Thomas, who were aged 9 and 11 respectively.
Yesterday Justice Elizabeth Curtain made it clear how little she thinks the two boys’ lives were worth when she handed Fitchett what amounts to a 13 year non parole period.
Perhaps to mask her contempt for the two dead children, Curtain gave us some platitudes about how “truly appalling and offensive to civilized society” the crime was, how Fitchett had betrayed the kiddies, etc, etc.
Yet despite these statements the Judge then used Fitchett’s mild to moderate depression as an excuse to hand down the, well, mild to moderate sentence! Not a psychotic depression mind you! Just a case of the blues, the kind of thing that thousands go through every year without murdering anyone! I can’t for the life of me see this “Justice” giving such a light sentence to a mildly to moderately depressed man who killed his kids, at least I have never heard of such a thing.
I'm not going to link back to the site I posted the qute from, due to vulgarity in their headline that they ran it under and which would violate the TOS here.
Its a common enough thing that it has its own term coined for situations where a female gets what is believed to be much more lenient sentencing or treatment in the courts (including family court) than the male. Its one of the warped twists in our society today: they are equal except when it comes to wrong doing. Then they're no longer equal but instead the fairer, gentler sex that is to be treated with the appropriate kid gloves.
If that sounds sexist, its not meant to be. Its the system that has sexism built into it that is sexist. I don't like it, and I can't change it, but I'm not going to shut my eyes to it or pretend it doesn't exist just because its not inline with the PC standards of today.
I'm all for equality. If they want to compete in the workforce side by side and work with us guys, go for it - no issues at all with that. It becomes an issue when that's not enough, and the chivalry of the past is expected to go hand in hand with the equal treatment. It seems to me more like an expectation, and one that is realized, where they're entitled to the best of both worlds and should have their cake and eat it too. You want the cake, fine, don't expect me to pick up the tab every time we go out when you're paid the same fair wage I am under the equality we have today.
-Spyder
Quote: In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
No she actually got a 7 year sentence, which is reasonable. Here is a better example of the type thing I've seen in the news way too many times now.
Quote:
Donna Fitchett is a worthless thing who in 2005 drugged and then “strangled or smothered” her two sons, Matthew and Thomas, who were aged 9 and 11 respectively.
Yesterday Justice Elizabeth Curtain made it clear how little she thinks the two boys’ lives were worth when she handed Fitchett what amounts to a 13 year non parole period.
Perhaps to mask her contempt for the two dead children, Curtain gave us some platitudes about how “truly appalling and offensive to civilized society” the crime was, how Fitchett had betrayed the kiddies, etc, etc.
Yet despite these statements the Judge then used Fitchett’s mild to moderate depression as an excuse to hand down the, well, mild to moderate sentence! Not a psychotic depression mind you! Just a case of the blues, the kind of thing that thousands go through every year without murdering anyone! I can’t for the life of me see this “Justice” giving such a light sentence to a mildly to moderately depressed man who killed his kids, at least I have never heard of such a thing.
I'm not going to link back to the site I posted the qute from, due to vulgarity in their headline that they ran it under and which would violate the TOS here.
Its a common enough thing that it has its own term coined for situations where a female gets what is believed to be much more lenient sentencing or treatment in the courts (including family court) than the male. Its one of the warped twists in our society today: they are equal except when it comes to wrong doing. Then they're no longer equal but instead the fairer, gentler sex that is to be treated with the appropriate kid gloves.
If that sounds sexist, its not meant to be. Its the system that has sexism built into it that is sexist. I don't like it, and I can't change it, but I'm not going to shut my eyes to it or pretend it doesn't exist just because its not inline with the PC standards of today.
I'm all for equality. If they want to compete in the workforce side by side and work with us guys, go for it - no issues at all with that. It becomes an issue when that's not enough, and the chivalry of the past is expected to go hand in hand with the equal treatment. It seems to me more like an expectation, and one that is realized, where they're entitled to the best of both worlds and should have their cake and eat it too. You want the cake, fine, don't expect me to pick up the tab every time we go out when you're paid the same fair wage I am under the equality we have today.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
Quote: In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
No she actually got a 7 year sentence, which is reasonable. Here is a better example of the type thing I've seen in the news way too many times now.
Quote:
Donna Fitchett is a worthless thing who in 2005 drugged and then “strangled or smothered” her two sons, Matthew and Thomas, who were aged 9 and 11 respectively.
Yesterday Justice Elizabeth Curtain made it clear how little she thinks the two boys’ lives were worth when she handed Fitchett what amounts to a 13 year non parole period.
Perhaps to mask her contempt for the two dead children, Curtain gave us some platitudes about how “truly appalling and offensive to civilized society” the crime was, how Fitchett had betrayed the kiddies, etc, etc.
Yet despite these statements the Judge then used Fitchett’s mild to moderate depression as an excuse to hand down the, well, mild to moderate sentence! Not a psychotic depression mind you! Just a case of the blues, the kind of thing that thousands go through every year without murdering anyone! I can’t for the life of me see this “Justice” giving such a light sentence to a mildly to moderately depressed man who killed his kids, at least I have never heard of such a thing.
I'm not going to link back to the site I posted the qute from, due to vulgarity in their headline that they ran it under and which would violate the TOS here.
Its a common enough thing that it has its own term coined for situations where a female gets what is believed to be much more lenient sentencing or treatment in the courts (including family court) than the male. Its one of the warped twists in our society today: they are equal except when it comes to wrong doing. Then they're no longer equal but instead the fairer, gentler sex that is to be treated with the appropriate kid gloves.
If that sounds sexist, its not meant to be. Its the system that has sexism built into it that is sexist. I don't like it, and I can't change it, but I'm not going to shut my eyes to it or pretend it doesn't exist just because its not inline with the PC standards of today.
I'm all for equality. If they want to compete in the workforce side by side and work with us guys, go for it - no issues at all with that. It becomes an issue when that's not enough, and the chivalry of the past is expected to go hand in hand with the equal treatment. It seems to me more like an expectation, and one that is realized, where they're entitled to the best of both worlds and should have their cake and eat it too. You want the cake, fine, don't expect me to pick up the tab every time we go out when you're paid the same fair wage I am under the equality we have today.
-Spyder
I agree 100%
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
Quote: In the justice system, too, there are lots of examples of women getting way too light a sentence for killing their kids or sexual assault against minors.
-Spyder Unquote:
Like this one..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau
No she actually got a 7 year sentence, which is reasonable. Here is a better example of the type thing I've seen in the news way too many times now.
Quote:
Donna Fitchett is a worthless thing who in 2005 drugged and then “strangled or smothered” her two sons, Matthew and Thomas, who were aged 9 and 11 respectively.
Yesterday Justice Elizabeth Curtain made it clear how little she thinks the two boys’ lives were worth when she handed Fitchett what amounts to a 13 year non parole period.
Perhaps to mask her contempt for the two dead children, Curtain gave us some platitudes about how “truly appalling and offensive to civilized society” the crime was, how Fitchett had betrayed the kiddies, etc, etc.
Yet despite these statements the Judge then used Fitchett’s mild to moderate depression as an excuse to hand down the, well, mild to moderate sentence! Not a psychotic depression mind you! Just a case of the blues, the kind of thing that thousands go through every year without murdering anyone! I can’t for the life of me see this “Justice” giving such a light sentence to a mildly to moderately depressed man who killed his kids, at least I have never heard of such a thing.
I'm not going to link back to the site I posted the qute from, due to vulgarity in their headline that they ran it under and which would violate the TOS here.
Its a common enough thing that it has its own term coined for situations where a female gets what is believed to be much more lenient sentencing or treatment in the courts (including family court) than the male. Its one of the warped twists in our society today: they are equal except when it comes to wrong doing. Then they're no longer equal but instead the fairer, gentler sex that is to be treated with the appropriate kid gloves.
If that sounds sexist, its not meant to be. Its the system that has sexism built into it that is sexist. I don't like it, and I can't change it, but I'm not going to shut my eyes to it or pretend it doesn't exist just because its not inline with the PC standards of today.
I'm all for equality. If they want to compete in the workforce side by side and work with us guys, go for it - no issues at all with that. It becomes an issue when that's not enough, and the chivalry of the past is expected to go hand in hand with the equal treatment. It seems to me more like an expectation, and one that is realized, where they're entitled to the best of both worlds and should have their cake and eat it too. You want the cake, fine, don't expect me to pick up the tab every time we go out when you're paid the same fair wage I am under the equality we have today.
-Spyder
I agree 100%
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