Sister in laws jeep

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Originally Posted By: stchman
The thing is Chrysler vehicles consume oil.

Chrysler has adjusted its acceptable motor oil consumption guidelines for 2012-2013 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep gasoline vehicles (Chrysler Bulletin #09-001-12 Engine Oil Consumption Guideline):

- First 50,000 miles of engine life: one quart per 2,000 miles
- Engines with over 50,000 miles: one quart per 750 miles
- Aggressive driving conditions: one quart per 500 miles

I can MAYBE see i quart ever 2K miles, but one quart EVERY 750 miles. Lets say you change the oil every 7500 miles, Chrysler thinks using 10 quarts during that time span is acceptable??!!!!!!! If your vehicle is drinking a quart every 750 miles and not leaking, something bad is wrong.




The '08 we had was up to 1 quart per 650. Plugged up the cats so bad it barely had any power, too.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: stchman
The thing is Chrysler vehicles consume oil.

Chrysler has adjusted its acceptable motor oil consumption guidelines for 2012-2013 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep gasoline vehicles (Chrysler Bulletin #09-001-12 Engine Oil Consumption Guideline):

- First 50,000 miles of engine life: one quart per 2,000 miles
- Engines with over 50,000 miles: one quart per 750 miles
- Aggressive driving conditions: one quart per 500 miles

I can MAYBE see i quart ever 2K miles, but one quart EVERY 750 miles. Lets say you change the oil every 7500 miles, Chrysler thinks using 10 quarts during that time span is acceptable??!!!!!!! If your vehicle is drinking a quart every 750 miles and not leaking, something bad is wrong.




The '08 we had was up to 1 quart per 650. Plugged up the cats so bad it barely had any power, too.
This was under Daimler?? Hard to believe that even a quart every 1500 would be acceptable under ANY warranty circumstances!
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
I'd try PYB 10W-30 first and if that doesn't stop the oil from blowing through the Jeep, then Rotella HDEO 15W-40 as previously suggested.




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+1 from me. No point using that Full synth 0W-40 - That's way overkill and going to get spendy.

If it were my jeep, I'd just jump straight to the Rotella T 15W-40, but in this case, I can see how an intermediate of PYB 10W30 could help gauge the severity of the issue.
 
That mini-van engine (yes, I consider it a mini-van engine) loves a synthetic 10W30. I dont seen the need to use a 40 weight in this engine. Now if it was the old straight 6 4.0, than 40 weight all day long and three times on Saturday.
 
This is just my opinion.

I had a 2008 Wrangler X and I can share my experience. In short the story ends with me trading the Jeep in for a 2012 with the new pentastar engine. So if you do not read all of this my advice is to get rid of that Jeep and get something newer with the 3.6L pentastar if you are able to afford that.

One day I was driving and noticed my oil pressure light. It just flashed and went away. I thought nothing of it and kept on driving. A short while later the light flashed again. I knew this was no mistake and something was wrong. I pulled over and with the engine running I pulled out a dry dipstick. SInce I was far from home I had no other option but to take it to the dreaded Jiffy Lube. It turns out that my Jeep was 3qt low. I had 3 out of 6 quarts in that engine.

I researched and found that Jeep had contracted their piston assembly to Mexico and the mexican workers installed piston rings upside down and/or with the gaps all lined up. This causes blow by and oil consumption. I also read there are a few fixes.

First I tried to change the PCV valve no luck for me. Though others said it helped them. I still found a lot of oil in the tube.

Second I tried to seafoam the engine hoping to clean up the pistons to get a better seal. This actually made the problem worse since the cleaned pistons blew by more. My oil consumption wend from 1qt burn in 1200 miles to 1qt burn every 800 miles. (good plug for seafoam as actually working though)

Third I tried to change different weights and types of oil. I used conventional, synthetic, and HM. Nothing helped. Yes thicker oil did slow down the burn a bit since it lessened the blow by but in reality the success was marginal.

Forth I tried the engine restore that is supposed to seal up scratches and things. No help.

Fifth Since I was tired of driving around with oil all the time I traded the Jeep in.

My 3.6L pentastar does not burn one noticeable drop of oil and the engine has much more power. If you really want to fix the issue and just cant afford or dont want to trade the Jeep in the only course is to replace the engine. The girl who bought my traded in Jeep from the dealer lives in my town and her father replaced the engine and now she is fine.

Its just food for thought and I hope that you can get a fix for your engine.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys! I did the oil change this evening and got 3 quarts total out of of it ( after adding a quart just so I could warm it up to do the oil change)!
I have no idea how much consumption this thing is suffering from but I'm fixing to find out - living here now and having her drop by a couple times a week to see her sister (my wife) will offer me the opportunity to check it regularly and track the loss. I'll be sure to put the reusilts up here. I will say this, with the Edge 0w40 in it the engine is quiet as a mouse.

There's no telling how many miles this jeep has run on this last OCI so I can't figure out how many miles per quart the thing is using. We certainly know checking the oil level was sporadic at best. She never mentioned having to add oil to it since she bought it new. My sister in law is certainly no car enthusiast and I'm sure she sees it as an appliance.
I spent the rest of the afternoon scrubbing the poor thing down, top to bottom and scrubbed the engine as well. It'll get a coat of wax tomorrow (imagine THAT)! I honestly think the has car been washed maybe once a year if that.
I'll keep y'all posted on what I find. Cheers!
 
Originally Posted By: BlueLesPaul2006
This is just my opinion.

I had a 2008 Wrangler X and I can share my experience. In short the story ends with me trading the Jeep in for a 2012 with the new pentastar engine. So if you do not read all of this my advice is to get rid of that Jeep and get something newer with the 3.6L pentastar if you are able to afford that.

One day I was driving and noticed my oil pressure light. It just flashed and went away. I thought nothing of it and kept on driving. A short while later the light flashed again. I knew this was no mistake and something was wrong. I pulled over and with the engine running I pulled out a dry dipstick. SInce I was far from home I had no other option but to take it to the dreaded Jiffy Lube. It turns out that my Jeep was 3qt low. I had 3 out of 6 quarts in that engine.

I researched and found that Jeep had contracted their piston assembly to Mexico and the mexican workers installed piston rings upside down and/or with the gaps all lined up. This causes blow by and oil consumption. I also read there are a few fixes.

First I tried to change the PCV valve no luck for me. Though others said it helped them. I still found a lot of oil in the tube.

Second I tried to seafoam the engine hoping to clean up the pistons to get a better seal. This actually made the problem worse since the cleaned pistons blew by more. My oil consumption wend from 1qt burn in 1200 miles to 1qt burn every 800 miles. (good plug for seafoam as actually working though)

Third I tried to change different weights and types of oil. I used conventional, synthetic, and HM. Nothing helped. Yes thicker oil did slow down the burn a bit since it lessened the blow by but in reality the success was marginal.

Forth I tried the engine restore that is supposed to seal up scratches and things. No help.

Fifth Since I was tired of driving around with oil all the time I traded the Jeep in.

My 3.6L pentastar does not burn one noticeable drop of oil and the engine has much more power. If you really want to fix the issue and just cant afford or dont want to trade the Jeep in the only course is to replace the engine. The girl who bought my traded in Jeep from the dealer lives in my town and her father replaced the engine and now she is fine.

Its just food for thought and I hope that you can get a fix for your engine.



We tried PCV as well - no difference.



Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
We see the 3.6 in my engine shop more and more mostly for head work they sure don't build them like the older 3.3's that ran forever.


One specific year, though. As long as someone has a 2013 it should be fine. Or newer. I love the 4.0, but the Pentastar engine just has more torque available everywhere.


Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: stchman
The thing is Chrysler vehicles consume oil.

Chrysler has adjusted its acceptable motor oil consumption guidelines for 2012-2013 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep gasoline vehicles (Chrysler Bulletin #09-001-12 Engine Oil Consumption Guideline):

- First 50,000 miles of engine life: one quart per 2,000 miles
- Engines with over 50,000 miles: one quart per 750 miles
- Aggressive driving conditions: one quart per 500 miles

I can MAYBE see i quart ever 2K miles, but one quart EVERY 750 miles. Lets say you change the oil every 7500 miles, Chrysler thinks using 10 quarts during that time span is acceptable??!!!!!!! If your vehicle is drinking a quart every 750 miles and not leaking, something bad is wrong.




The '08 we had was up to 1 quart per 650. Plugged up the cats so bad it barely had any power, too.
This was under Daimler?? Hard to believe that even a quart every 1500 would be acceptable under ANY warranty circumstances!


It was Cerberus era management.
 
10w-30 hdeo like Rotella T-5, Delo 400 XLE, or Motorcraft...still appears to have high usage then 15w-40 hdeo; these would be my 'interim fix' until I research about having the engine tore open and new rings placed in CORRECTLY! if the $$$ is too high then time to decide whether to trade/sell her Wrangler

also consider a fuel additive that is designed to be a thorough decarbonizer to clean out the top end of each cylinder...Yamalube Ring Free Plus comes to mind (a bit pricey for its size yet it treats 120 gallons); Seafoam is a less expensive alternative but might need to be used at higher potency (hence more product per fillup and more bottles that need to be purchased)
 
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You've changed the oil and it purrs. Don't use any cleaners now. Clean then change the oil. Perfect time to trade in or start looking for cheap catalytic converter. We here have no idea of her age, monetary condition, vehicle desire, and etc. seems like you answered your question.
 
Originally Posted By: double vanos
Ok, the above person checks into the family shop ( a shed with tools and uncovered driveway) with her 2008 Wrangler X. The original problem was pass side wiper not working; fixed that easily enough. Before cutting her loose I check the oil - nothing on the dipstick. Added 3 quarts and the level barely registers.

She tells me she checks the oil at least every 4 - 6 months. Nothing like staying on top of your machine I always say.....

Soooo an oil change is in the immediate future, and I am considering my go to oil: Castrol Edge 0w40 to stop the consumption on this 26k mile engine ( small town, lots of short trip stuff, very limited extended highway miles). While not a DI engine, fuel dilution due to all the short trips is an issue, hence my considering an A3 oil.

Jeep forums are loaded with consumption issues with this engine with many members scrapping the 5w20 for 30 and 40 weight oils, which apparently stops the oil burning muey pronto.
I am now retired and live here in Bisbee Az where she lives so I'll be able to keep a little tighter reign on her car. FWIW Bisbee is high desert (5400 feet ) with road grades of up to 5% and temps ranging from mid 20s to 100 over the year. And the fore mentioned short trip driving ( for her at least).

Is my thinking ok or do I need a brain transplant? Thanks guys!


Actually double vanos, we recommend that you use the motor oil viscosity recommended by the OEM. With that said, we recommend Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20 Full Synthetic High Mileage motor oil. Not only is it the viscosity that your OEM wants, but it is also a full synthetic high mileage oil built to deliver less oil burn off than other high mileage oils. It’s formulated to stop leaks from seals and oil consumption in worn engines. It has also been shown to keep pistons up to 40% cleaner than the toughest industry standards. Hope this info helps! – The Pennzoil Team
 
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