Silogram sues Everclear over poor oil quality

[fsskier]

Even claiming their product met series "SC" appears to be a fraud. Viscosity specs then were similar to today, and reasonable anti-corrosion, oxidation, etc specs were also in place. Our cars (my 59 Opel and 59 Ford) went well past 100,000 miles on those oils without engine failure.

And why would any oil for "pre 1967 vehicles" be for sale anyplace that did not cater to specialty vehicles...... except to commit fraud upon consumers??

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: mongo161
Tom, Just out of curiosity....is Silogram a distributor of motor oil? Who does Silogram, of Bayonne, NJ, distribute this motor oil to....quick lube places, Corporate Fleets or do they bottle the bulk oil under store brand names?

I just want to make sure that I avoid this oil....however and wherever it is sold.

Thanks in advance.

That's what I was wondering too. It's frightening that this garbage could be making it into shops and quick lubes as bulk oil. It's bad enough that this caliber of oil is available to cheapskates who just want the cheapest, and far worse that people could unknowingly end up with this trash in their car's engine.

Glad I do my own oil changes.

 

[Tom NJ]

Originally Posted By: cutter
How are these terrible oils being made today? Are there really piles of old oil from 1967 lying around in untapped barrels, or are they used oil that's filtered? Has anyone bought one of these lube failures and see if they even look like modern api grade oil?


The sample of Everclear 10w30 that PQIA tested last year showed high levels of iron, copper, aluminum, chromium, silicon, and lead. The presence of these typical wear metals suggests to me that the product contains used motor oil. Other products tested by PQIA appeared to contain used transformer oil. Several "motor oils" had viscosities @ 100C of 2.3 to 3.0 and no additives. My guess is that some companies buy whatever organic oily liquids they can get cheap and bottle it as motor oil.

By my personal definition, willfully harming innocent people for profit is called evil.

Tom NJ

Disclaimer: While I sit on the PQIA Advisory Board, I am not a PQIA employee, receive no compensation from PQIA, and my posts here are my personal opinion and do not necessarily reflect the positions of PQIA.

 

[Chris142]

Originally Posted By: fsskier


And why would any oil for "pre 1967 vehicles" be for sale anyplace that did not cater to specialty vehicles...... except to commit fraud upon consumers??
Because people ask for it. When I worked at an auto parts store more than once some older guy would bring 5 qts of ND oil and a filter to the register. When I asked him if he meant to put ND oil in his 90's car he told me yes then tried to tell me that detergents will ruin his engine.

At this time I just shut up, rang him up, took his money and told him to have a nice day.

 

[ledslinger]

Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: cutter
How are these terrible oils being made today? Are there really piles of old oil from 1967 lying around in untapped barrels, or are they used oil that's filtered? Has anyone bought one of these lube failures and see if they even look like modern api grade oil?


The sample of Everclear 10w30 that PQIA tested last year showed high levels of iron, copper, aluminum, chromium, silicon, and lead. The presence of these typical wear metals suggests to me that the product contains used motor oil. Other products tested by PQIA appeared to contain used transformer oil. Several "motor oils" had viscosities @ 100C of 2.3 to 3.0 and no additives. My guess is that some companies buy whatever organic oily liquids they can get cheap and bottle it as motor oil.

By my personal definition, willfully harming innocent people for profit is called evil.

Tom NJ

Disclaimer: While I sit on the PQIA Advisory Board, I am not a PQIA employee, receive no compensation from PQIA, and my posts here are my personal opinion and do not necessarily reflect the positions of PQIA.


I have a foggy memory that transformer oil has toxins. They my be mixing filtered used motor oil with toxic waste and disposing of it in consumers auto engines. Which may mean toxins are getting distributed all over the place.

 

[mongo161]

This is very sad indeed. I hope that this contaminated oil did not get pumped into the heating oil tanks of schools.