Silicates and MSDS question

[Petersubaru]

concerning coolants..do silicates have to be listed in the MSDS reports..sometimes when reading the spec or info sheets, silicates, can be written up as an ingredient outlining its benefits etc...but when looking at the MSDS, there is no mention of it

 

[mechanicx]

I don't think they do. I don't think they are toxic really. MSDS are very poor on divulging the exact formula ingredients.

 

[Petersubaru]

Originally Posted By: Petersubaru
concerning coolants..do silicates have to be listed in the MSDS reports..sometimes when reading the spec or info sheets, silicates, can be written up as an ingredient outlining its benefits etc...but when looking at the MSDS, there is no mention of it
..the reason I asked the question..wanting some "green colored" coolant for 2 older cars directed me in reading the msds, for Shell green(USA)and Zerex green(Canada)...both contain phosphates..the Zerex green(USA)has the formula concealed (NJTS#.)..same goes for the texaco coolant mentioning only the phos. .. the spec. paper reads that there products are a "low silicate formula"...does this mean that the "new" green formulas now have more phosphates in them..going the way of the Japanese??

 

[mechanicx]

I don't know if the new Green has more phosphates than it use to have. They lowered the silicates a while back, so it's possible the phosphate level was increased. I don't really think so though.

 

[bullwinkle]

The spec you are looking for is ASTM D4985-low silicate, standard green, which is what I need for the '89 Ford 7.3, the ones I've found so far are Pride 1000, Zerex original, and Full Force (by Peak/Old World Industries.

 

[DanJ]

Hey Petesubaru,

Under the Hazardous Communication Standard (HAZCOM) by OSHA, silicates do have to be listed on an MSDS. This is due their corrosivity nature. Sometimes, the best bet is to look in the chemical composition, or the regulatory section of the MSDS.

Dan J

 

[Petersubaru]

Originally Posted By: DanJ
Hey Petesubaru,

Under the Hazardous Communication Standard (HAZCOM) by OSHA, silicates do have to be listed on an MSDS. This is due their corrosivity nature. Sometimes, the best bet is to look in the chemical composition, or the regulatory section of the MSDS.

Dan J
..Shell conventional was the only company out of 4 companies that would give some numbers concerning "silicates"..contained .045% @ 50/50 mix ...I get the impression, that if the concentration of any chemical is "under" 1%, it does not have to be included in the list of ingredients...there certainly is a "lack of exactness at face value" at least for this layman with the wording of coolant products...another example would be the Zerex dex-cool, top of the page states no silicates or phosphates, but when reading further there is some PPM of both of these chemicals http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerexdexcool.pdf

 

[Petersubaru]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
The spec you are looking for is ASTM D4985-low silicate, standard green, which is what I need for the '89 Ford 7.3, the ones I've found so far are Pride 1000, Zerex original, and Full Force (by Peak/Old World Industries.
...thankyou for sharing your personal experience...unfortunately useing the ASTM D4985 number as guide could also take me to useing dex-cool .."click" on the heading "spec" @ http://www.valvoline.com/products/brands/zerex/antifreeze/41 ..Pride 1000 like zerex green use proprietory ingred...I just have a hard time buying products from companies that don't believe in full disclosure or at least some type thereof