It's an L14670 for a Dodge Grand Caravan. It's the family truckster, lots of 15 mile trips for the kids and dogs. I don't the the oil go more than 5k and have been using Mobil Clean 5000 (or whatever it's turned into)
should I use my last Purolator Classic ?
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
You're both right!!
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
You're both right!!
I'd use it in the summer months, not in the dead of winter. It's just my hunch, but these tears might only occur at startup when the oil's viscosity is greatest. The colder the oil, the more stress on the media. Using a 5W- oil instead of a 10W- oil wouldn't hurt either.
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
True but the only place dirt will get into your engine is through the intake .
True, but also if an engine is raced at high RPM or put under high load usage (ie, towing, heavy loads, racing, etc) then the engine itself will produce much more wear debris and combustion blow-by that ends up in the oil.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
True but the only place dirt will get into your engine is through the intake .
True, but also if an engine is raced at high RPM or put under high load usage (ie, towing, heavy loads, racing, etc) then the engine itself will produce much more wear debris and combustion blow-by that ends up in the oil.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
True but the only place dirt will get into your engine is through the intake .
True, but also if an engine is raced at high RPM or put under high load usage (ie, towing, heavy loads, racing, etc) then the engine itself will produce much more wear debris and combustion blow-by that ends up in the oil.
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
Between oil and filters someone is making a lot of $$$
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
I agree . With 3-5K OCI's and an engine not equipped with an oil filter I'll bet there would be no difference to one with an oil filter as far as an engines life being effected or any unusual wear by particulates in the oil .
I think the environment the car was used in, and how it was driven would factor a lot into that.
True but the only place dirt will get into your engine is through the intake .
True, but also if an engine is raced at high RPM or put under high load usage (ie, towing, heavy loads, racing, etc) then the engine itself will produce much more wear debris and combustion blow-by that ends up in the oil.
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
Between oil and filters someone is making a lot of $$$
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
Exactly and was exposed to a lot more dirt where it was positioned plus the air cooling picking up dirt . The early ones were only an oil bath type air filter too !! .
Just saying , I think too much worry is put into oil filtration . I'd like to not only see one cut open after a 10K OCI but what it really has filtered .
Saw a lot of abused stuff in my tenure as a Tech but very few were ever the result of oil filters if any . Back in the day changing your oil filter every other oil change was the norm , not every oil change and oils have come a long way since then !
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
Exactly and was exposed to a lot more dirt where it was positioned plus the air cooling picking up dirt . The early ones were only an oil bath type air filter too !! .
Just saying , I think too much worry is put into oil filtration . I'd like to not only see one cut open after a 10K OCI but what it really has filtered .
Saw a lot of abused stuff in my tenure as a Tech but very few were ever the result of oil filters if any . Back in the day changing your oil filter every other oil change was the norm , not every oil change and oils have come a long way since then !
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
I wouldn't call 80K miles "forever". Ask Jim Allen (member here) about his VW days and how long his lasted with good maintenance.
You guys can remove your oil filters and save some time and maintenance hassle.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
I wouldn't call 80K miles "forever". Ask Jim Allen (member here) about his VW days and how long his lasted with good maintenance.
You guys can remove your oil filters and save some time and maintenance hassle.
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Back in the day changing your oil filter every other oil change was the norm , not every oil change and oils have come a long way since then !
Using an oil filter for two oil changes actually makes the filter more efficient - but you don't want to do it on a really dirty or sludged up engine. Many people do it, and Honda recommends it in their service schedule
Back in the day changing your oil filter every other oil change was the norm , not every oil change and oils have come a long way since then !
Using an oil filter for two oil changes actually makes the filter more efficient - but you don't want to do it on a really dirty or sludged up engine. Many people do it, and Honda recommends it in their service schedule
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
If its not a model number that's shown up on the "affected" list, I'd use it in a heartbeat.
The list is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...amp;usp=sharing
I have noticed that only 1 German car is the list.
My VWs and Audi have always had very large oil filters. VAG (VW & Audi) is the 3rd largest car manufacturer in the world. So there should be a significant number of users in the forum.
Mazdas, Kias and Acuras I've owned have very small filters.
This might be a factor when considering whether or not to use your Purolator filters.
If its not a model number that's shown up on the "affected" list, I'd use it in a heartbeat.
The list is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...amp;usp=sharing
I have noticed that only 1 German car is the list.
My VWs and Audi have always had very large oil filters. VAG (VW & Audi) is the 3rd largest car manufacturer in the world. So there should be a significant number of users in the forum.
Mazdas, Kias and Acuras I've owned have very small filters.
This might be a factor when considering whether or not to use your Purolator filters.
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I just took a Pure 1 off my Sierra, and hope to cut it open after work. I'll put the photo on here when I get them.
I have a Bosh on my Impala, and it is coming off soon. I'll be putting those photos up as soon as I get it off the motor.
I'm going to stop with the purolator stuff until I hear they have corrected the problems.
I have a Bosh on my Impala, and it is coming off soon. I'll be putting those photos up as soon as I get it off the motor.
I'm going to stop with the purolator stuff until I hear they have corrected the problems.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
I wouldn't call 80K miles "forever". Ask Jim Allen (member here) about his VW days and how long his lasted with good maintenance.
You guys can remove your oil filters and save some time and maintenance hassle.
Correct, they only lasted 80-100K miles. But that was running primitive SE oil in an air-cooled engine with no oil filter. When they died it was usually the valves on the one cylinder that went out due to heat from the engine design
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Yes it dos but with regular OCI's I'll bet any debris that does get in the oil never really causes any harm .
I really doubt that. Without an oil filter, any debris that gets in the oil stays in the oil and just goes round and round through the engine. Every time a wear particles goes through a bearing, etc it has the possibility of doing damage. I wouldn't what to try it myself.
In a 5K OCI, those same particles cold circulate over and over again an average of 30,000 times through the engine.
And yet the VW Beetle with no oil filter at all lasted forever..
I wouldn't call 80K miles "forever". Ask Jim Allen (member here) about his VW days and how long his lasted with good maintenance.
You guys can remove your oil filters and save some time and maintenance hassle.
Correct, they only lasted 80-100K miles. But that was running primitive SE oil in an air-cooled engine with no oil filter. When they died it was usually the valves on the one cylinder that went out due to heat from the engine design
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Exactly only add another bullet. LOL
Exactly only add another bullet. LOL
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Not sure why people obsess about oil filters so much. Far more wear comes from particulate ingestion through the intake than will ever occur from oil based contamination, yet no one talks much about air filters
The air filter subforum is here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/15/1/Air_Filters
so yes, people talk about air filters, just not much (about 10:1 based on the number of forum users right now).
As for obsessing, why does BITOG even exist? Most people let their mechanic choose, most of the rest use the oil and filter brand their Dad used, and never give it a second thought.
Then there's us.
Not sure why people obsess about oil filters so much. Far more wear comes from particulate ingestion through the intake than will ever occur from oil based contamination, yet no one talks much about air filters
The air filter subforum is here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/15/1/Air_Filters
so yes, people talk about air filters, just not much (about 10:1 based on the number of forum users right now).
As for obsessing, why does BITOG even exist? Most people let their mechanic choose, most of the rest use the oil and filter brand their Dad used, and never give it a second thought.
Then there's us.
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