Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger

I've done a lot of research on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Aspergers - it's out there, plain as day, that they lack the human trait known as empathy. The criminally insane also lack empathy. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of crims in prison have undiagnosed autistic tendencies.


There are other disorders which could have led to this, and I agree with Drew here. It was not the autism, it was the un-named disorder. I'm thinking Borderline (aka Emotional Regulation/Disregulation).

But yes, it is thought that many people in prison have personality disorders.

And as Drew also says, insanity is not the right word for this type of behvior. Inability to cope is the type of concept. It IS mental illness, but it is not insanity. To make that seem more real, it is estimated that some 25% of the population has some sort of mental illness, most likely including plenty of people you know.

 

[CourierDriver]

You decide ..................

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: INMY01TA
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: INMY01TA
The shooter did not use any automatic weapons. Two handguns.


Glad you confirmed that. WPIX 11 NY news showed a guy shooting an assault rifle and said the killer used a Bushmaster Assault Rifle .223 caliber, like the one in their video to gun down 20 children. Interesting how the media put a twist on things. Still tragic no matter how you cut it.
Bushmaster AR15s are not assault rifles. Just a semi auto rifle. Nothing more, nothing less. The sale of new select fire machine guns (real assault rifles) were banned back in 86. Now they want to take our semi auto rifles? Soon all we'll be left with are bolt action rifles and 5 shot 38 specials. Yeah, that's no infringement on the 2nd ammendment.


I'm aware of that, I was paraphrasing what I heard. It was clear they had an agenda, and that was my point. Guns, knives, arrows, sticks, stones, cars, fertilizer, gasoline, axes, bats, pens, pencils, etc. don't kill people. People kill people. I'm expecting semi automatic weapons will be on someone else's hit list to take away. The NRA is in for another big battle either way after this horrific event. Prayers sent to all those who died or suffered loss from this event.

 

[wrcsixeight]

I can't claim to be pro gun, nor anti gun. I don't own one, but I certainly do not want to be told that I can't.

Emotions are running high over this tragedy, but what is really grinding my gears is the eager media, and the simplistic approach by so many that think there is a simple solution to an unstable nutjob heckbent on making history by committing an overwhelmingly disgusting act with weapons they are familiar with in video game format.

No more Laws are needed. Typical American overreaction is not needed.

What is needed is better parenting, and a society that quits accepting overwhelming narcissism as normal, expected and acceptable behavior.

Hug your kids, then teach them the universe does not revolve around them. It would help if you yourself were aware of this fact. Quit raising entitled princes and princesses.

All these young males committing these atrocious acts, what is the common denominator in their upbringing?

Was Daddy never home?

Was mommy teaching him that testosterone is evil, and that while girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, all boys are made of rats and snails and puppy dog tails?

Everybody wants to point a finger.

I'll blame a generation of feminists and generation of emasculated and submissive men. Blame them for creating a society that so frustrates a portion of the mentally unstable male youth, that one felt as though killing mommy, then going to his former elementary school and executing 20 innocent children and 8 authority figures, then killing himself, is the only way he could vent a lifetime of frustration.

None of us can understand the motivation behind the act, but what statement was he trying to make? There was a statement there. It was not all mental instability, and whatever the police and media claims to be the motive will likely only be tangential to the actual.

These disgusting spree killer's names and photos should never be made public. Each one of them obviously craved the attention they are now getting only in death, or a courtroom. A simple suicide could never give adequate voice to their frustration, they have a bigger statement to make. The ones in court or jail certainly never expected to live.

How many more frustrated, disaffected copycats out there are seeing all this attention and notoriety and making plans?

You think it is over? What if this is just the start of it?

Guns are not to blame. Modern Society is. Banning guns will never happen or be effective, but attempting to do so certainly inflates righteous indignation and is easier than changing the current mindset and accelerating downward spiral of this society.

 

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight

No more Laws are needed. Typical American overreaction is not needed.

What is needed is better parenting, and a society that quits accepting overwhelming narcissism as normal, expected and acceptable behavior.

Hug your kids, then teach them the universe does not revolve around them. It would help if you yourself were aware of this fact. Quit raising entitled princes and princesses.

All these young males committing these atrocious acts, what is the common denominator in their upbringing?

Was Daddy never home?

Was mommy teaching him that testosterone is evil, and that while girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, all boys are made of rats and snails and puppy dog tails?

Everybody wants to point a finger.

I'll blame a generation of feminists and generation of emasculated and submissive men. Blame them for creating a society that so frustrates a portion of the mentally unstable male youth, that one felt as though killing mommy, then going to his former elementary school and executing 20 innocent children and 8 authority figures, then killing himself, is the only way he could vent a lifetime of frustration.

None of us can understand the motivation behind the act, but what statement was he trying to make? There was a statement there. It was not all mental instability, and whatever the police and media claims to be the motive will likely only be tangential to the actual.

These disgusting spree killer's names and photos should never be made public. Each one of them obviously craved the attention they are now getting only in death, or a courtroom. A simple suicide could never give adequate voice to their frustration, they have a bigger statement to make. The ones in court or jail certainly never expected to live.

How many more frustrated, disaffected copycats out there are seeing all this attention and notoriety and making plans?

You think it is over? What if this is just the start of it?

Guns are not to blame. Modern Society is. Banning guns will never happen or be effective, but attempting to do so certainly inflates righteous indignation and is easier than changing the current mindset and accelerating downward spiral of this society.


Right. Problem is our Society isn't going to go back to "Father Knows Best" or "Andy Griffith" way of life easily.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
buster,
not to be argumentative, but when guns in homes were significantly reduced in Oz (which Rupert twittered on last night), it was reported that firearm homicides dropped markedly. They failed to be clear on the major decrease was in suicides, where people chose another method of offing themselves, and the overall rate didn't change.

What DID change 'though was the number of home invasions. Monsters realised they had less chance of finding an armed home-owner, and were therefore happy to break in while they were at home (our burglary last year, we were home asleep)...some even torturing the residents to find the cash/jewels/car keys.


Oh, for God's sake, don't tell the truth! Why not keep up the lie that a forcibly disarmed society is a better society?

Another thing... America is not a homogeneous society. We have huge gangs, thugs and a culture of evil. There is only one practical defense against a raging mob. A semi-auto firearm. Period, end of story.

To all: Do yourself a favor and "youtube" hood life 3. That's where I work. That's what I deal with. I had the bullet hole in my car to prove it.

 

[Pablo]

http://www.king5.com/home/No-rise-in-mass-killings-but-their-impact-is-huge-183644461.html

 

[CourierDriver]

plus one

 

[CourierDriver]

The world will little note , nor long remember what we say here............but life comes with many issues and lots of tissues.

 

[CourierDriver]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/15/off...chool-shooting/

 

[whip]

One of the biggest issues is people are so quick to judge and then label. I'm seeing it right here in this thread by people on both sides of the gun argument. If your pro gun, your labeled a gun crazed lunatic. if your anti gun, your labeled a liberal wienie. We need to start looking at people as just people. Stop living our lives so divisively. Weather it's politics, religion, or economically. Sadly, this country is heading to being more divisive, not less. Every time something happens, your expected to choose a side, and stand on that side of the proverbial line.

 

[daves87rs]

I see a bunch of stuff here...but the issue here is pretty simple: it has NOTHING to do with guns. (he could have thought of worse ways if he wanted to)

Where is the help he needed/didn't get?


Why do we ignore RED flags like this? (He gave it away on FB)...

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
Typical American overreaction is not needed.

... and a society that quits accepting overwhelming narcissism as normal, expected and acceptable behavior.



+1

Typical is an understatement. Mandatory is more like it. It is like a childish Pavlovian response.

 

[The_Eric]

Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight


No more Laws are needed. Typical American overreaction is not needed.

What is needed is better parenting, and a society that quits accepting overwhelming narcissism as normal, expected and acceptable behavior.



Agreed.




Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
Hug your kids, then teach them the universe does not revolve around them. It would help if you yourself were aware of this fact. Quit raising entitled princes and princesses.

All these young males committing these atrocious acts, what is the common denominator in their upbringing?

Was Daddy never home?

Was mommy teaching him that testosterone is evil, and that while girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, all boys are made of rats and snails and puppy dog tails?

Everybody wants to point a finger.

I'll blame a generation of feminists and generation of emasculated and submissive men. Blame them for creating a society that so frustrates a portion of the mentally unstable male youth, that one felt as though killing mommy, then going to his former elementary school and executing 20 innocent children and 8 authority figures, then killing himself, is the only way he could vent a lifetime of frustration.



I don't completely agree with this. Most of the time, there was no father figure in my life. My mom and biological father divorced at when I was about 2. My step father was always gone for whatever reasons. Therefore my mom ruled the roost. Make no mistake. Growing up, I was in a similar position to many of these rampaging kids we read about. I was picked on, made fun of, had troubles socializing and so on. Did I want to run someone over? Heck yeah. Did I? Absolutely not! WHY????? Because I knew it was wrong. Will I ever? Absolutely not!

My point is that parenting, while a major contributor in a child's life, isn't going to be THE deciding factor how that child and later adult acts in his/her life. It's also in the child. (See below)

Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels

There are other disorders which could have led to this, and I agree with Drew here. It was not the autism, it was the un-named disorder. I'm thinking Borderline (aka Emotional Regulation/Disregulation).



I know of people who grew up "normal" and still had problems. I know of one kid that grew up with a very authoritative father figure who had problems. In that same family, the two other siblings grew up more or less normal. What kinds of problems you ask? Drugs, alcohol, attempted suicides, run in's with the law, including one that netted them a 7 year prison sentence.

Unless you home school your kid and don't allow them out, you'll NEVER be able to completely control the possible outside influences like drugs, alcohol and negative peer pressure. All the things that I've mentioned are not new to society either.

Some kids can sort out their own problems and find their way through life and some can't. It's always been this way.




Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
You think it is over? What if this is just the start of it?

Guns are not to blame. Modern Society is. Banning guns will never happen or be effective, but attempting to do so certainly inflates righteous indignation and is easier than changing the current mindset and accelerating downward spiral of this society.


I'll mostly agree with this. We certainly agree that guns and banning of them isn't the answer. Modern society does also need to change. Even many of the "normal" people could certainly stand to have a realignment.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: buster
Do we really want to live in a world where everyone is walking around with guns? How does that solve anything? I'm curious. I don't know, these events have always happened. There probably isn't much you can do. Some think culture change is essential.


I do. We have a quite a few folks who do and yet our crime rate is one of the lowest in the USA.

And we have one of the highest weapons per person count.

Wonder how we survive?? In fact this year so far is the lowest since 1979 for murders in the state. Of course we still have 16 days to go..

Bill


I agree with Bill. My entire family carries. It is a fact where people carry crime is the lowest..where they cannot and gun control is high -crime is the highest. Case in point - Illinois, D.C and Maryland...murder capitals of the world...and forget about being allowed to defend yourself in those places.

 

[02SE]

I haven't read every post in this thread, so I don't know if this has been posted before. It's just a small look at the real problem behind this tragedy.

I am Adam Lanza's Mother

 

[INMY01TA]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The shooter was a an ANTIFA member.
The shooter in Aurora Colorado was a member of ANTIFA.
Source?

 

[97tbird]

GTREA article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...isrc=most_viral

"...What’s the lesson of the Connecticut school massacre? The faster the weapon, the higher the body count.."

 

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: 97tbird
GTREA article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...isrc=most_viral

"...What’s the lesson of the Connecticut school massacre? The faster the weapon, the higher the body count.."



So, what about massacres before guns were invented??

 

[97tbird]

This is present - there ARE GUNS NOW ! it has BEEN invented!
it's about dealing with present and preventing FUTURE massacres.

I don't think (until time machine is invented) anything can be done about those massacres BEFORE guns were there.